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Angelina Jolie Will Be Playing The Role of Cleopatra In Stacy's Schiff's Upcoming Biography.
Do you feel like black and other women of color actresses feel robbed that role was given to a white woman whose skin color has to be made up of brown by make-up artists (again). Why couldn't she have turned down that role?. Cleopatra was not beautiful from what I know, which was a myth. Please some body holla back at me. Tell me what you think. Am I being over reactive? Racist? Ignorant?
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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on -
Cleopatra VII was of mostly greek/macedonian descent -- her direct ancestor is Ptolemy one of the chief generals of Alexander the Great ... and she wasn't actually all that beautiful like you mentioned--she had a hooked nose which was kind of like the trademark of her family (and was hated on for being a "whore" by her roman enemies). She was extraordinarily clever though... :]
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Permalink Reply by Lunakiss on -
Yes she is Ptolemy descent. Her skin color is of light brown. A white actress like Jolie should have never been given the role. Elizabeth Taylor's skin color was painted for lighting and cover up her non-brown skin color. The same thing will happen to Jolie. It would been easier to hire a womyn of color to avoid the controversy. A Latina author whose book is coming out this year or next will state the truth about Cleopatra. I am just tired of seeing womyn of color getting screwed and given scrappy and oversexualized and thrown into interracial relationship roles. It is rarely a womyn of color was given a breakout role. Cleopatra could had been it.
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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on
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uhm... Ptolemy was white and Cleopatra VII was white... or at the very least "caucasian"--they could've been brown, like south european ppl are light brown people too, but they weren't/aren't noticeably in your face BLACK people either.
Angelina Jolie is a darker/swarthy-ish white person--and are they painting her or will it be akin to a fake tan? I was more offended by her playing Daniel Pearl's wife... but this movie will probably suck. Now if Jolie was hired on to play Nefertiti... that'd be a whole 'nother story.
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Permalink Reply by Q.A.Bradford on -
Cleopatra as illustrated by European Renaissance great Michaelangelo.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/03/16/cleopatra-african.html
"Was Cleopatra Part African?
AFP
March 16, 2009 -- Cleopatra may have been part-African and not Greek Caucasian, according to a British TV documentary to be shown this month, its makers said Sunday.
It has long been thought that the former Queen of Egypt's roots were in Greece, but the discovery of what experts believe are her sister's remains has revealed that the siblings had a part-African heritage.
The BBC documentary "Cleopatra: Portrait of a Killer" to be shown on March 23 shows the analysis of the discovery of human remains in a tomb in Ephesus, Turkey.
Using state-of-the-art facial reconstruction and forensic techniques with anthropological and architectural analysis of the tomb, the experts are convinced that the skeleton is the remains of Cleopatra's sister, Princess Arsinoe, who was murdered on Cleopatra's orders.
Archaeologist Hilke Thuer from the Austrian Academy of Science, who led the team, said: 'The results of the forensic examination and the fact that the facial reconstruction shows that Arsinoe had an African mother is a real sensation which leads to a new insight on Cleopatra's family and the relationship of the sisters Cleopatra and Arsinoe.' "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3792872/Elizabeth-T...
"Elizabeth Taylor's Cleopatra 'nowhere near reality' Elizabeth Taylor and Sophia Loren did their best but according to a leading Egyptologist, they came nowhere near to an accurate portrayal of ancient queen Cleopatra."
"Using images from ancient artefacts including a ring dating from Cleopatra's reign 2,000 years ago, Cambridge University's Sally Ann Ashton has pieced together an entirely different image that shows her as a mixed race beauty.
The three-dimensional, computer generated portrait bears little resemblance to the pale-skinned, heavily made-up versions created by Sophia Loren and Elizabeth Taylor in their 1954 and 1961 films.
Nor does it fit with the picture recently revealed of her on an ancient coin found in a bank vault, in which her shallow forehead, pointed chin, thin lips and hooked nose make her look more like a witch than a queen.
Ashton developed her image of the monarch - who came to power at the tender age of 18 - by looking at her Greek heritage as well as her Egyptian upbringing.
"She probably wasn't just completely European. You've got to remember that her family had actually lived in Egypt for 300 years by the time she came to power," she said.
The images will be broadcast this week as part of a Five documentary, Secrets of Egypt: Cleopatra. The programme looks at whether the portrayal of Cleopatra as a temptress who ruined two generals of Rome - Julius Caesar and Mark Antony - was the victim of Roman "spin" aimed at blackening her name.
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Permalink Reply by Lunakiss on
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Thank you so much Animata. The Latina author's book will back up this claim when it comes out.
Aminata said:
Cleopatra as illustrated by European Renaissance great Michaelangelo.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/03/16/cleopatra-african.html
"Was Cleopatra Part African?
AFP
March 16, 2009 -- Cleopatra may have been part-African and not Greek Caucasian, according to a British TV documentary to be shown this month, its makers said Sunday.
It has long been thought that the former Queen of Egypt's roots were in Greece, but the discovery of what experts believe are her sister's remains has revealed that the siblings had a part-African heritage.
The BBC documentary "Cleopatra: Portrait of a Killer" to be shown on March 23 shows the analysis of the discovery of human remains in a tomb in Ephesus, Turkey.
Using state-of-the-art facial reconstruction and forensic techniques with anthropological and architectural analysis of the tomb, the experts are convinced that the skeleton is the remains of Cleopatra's sister, Princess Arsinoe, who was murdered on Cleopatra's orders.
Archaeologist Hilke Thuer from the Austrian Academy of Science, who led the team, said: 'The results of the forensic examination and the fact that the facial reconstruction shows that Arsinoe had an African mother is a real sensation which leads to a new insight on Cleopatra's family and the relationship of the sisters Cleopatra and Arsinoe.' "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3792872/Elizabeth-T...
"Elizabeth Taylor's Cleopatra 'nowhere near reality' Elizabeth Taylor and Sophia Loren did their best but according to a leading Egyptologist, they came nowhere near to an accurate portrayal of ancient queen Cleopatra."
"Using images from ancient artefacts including a ring dating from Cleopatra's reign 2,000 years ago, Cambridge University's Sally Ann Ashton has pieced together an entirely different image that shows her as a mixed race beauty.
The three-dimensional, computer generated portrait bears little resemblance to the pale-skinned, heavily made-up versions created by Sophia Loren and Elizabeth Taylor in their 1954 and 1961 films.
Nor does it fit with the picture recently revealed of her on an ancient coin found in a bank vault, in which her shallow forehead, pointed chin, thin lips and hooked nose make her look more like a witch than a queen.
Ashton developed her image of the monarch - who came to power at the tender age of 18 - by looking at her Greek heritage as well as her Egyptian upbringing.
"She probably wasn't just completely European. You've got to remember that her family had actually lived in Egypt for 300 years by the time she came to power," she said.
The images will be broadcast this week as part of a Five documentary, Secrets of Egypt: Cleopatra. The programme looks at whether the portrayal of Cleopatra as a temptress who ruined two generals of Rome - Julius Caesar and Mark Antony - was the victim of Roman "spin" aimed at blackening her name.
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Permalink Reply by Girl666 on -
Old habits are hard to break eh?
They did this with Elizabeth Taylor's Cleopatra which should have been Dorothy Dandridge.
(I think they will always find a pretty actress for this part despite what history has told us,because us fickle humans
find it easier to care about what pretty people are doing and saying )
This discussion reminds me of an article;
http://jezebel.com/5011611/why-cast-a-black-actress-in-your-movie-w...
This is the equivalent of Megan Good playing Natalee Holloway
which you know would NEVER happen.
People of color in the entertainment industry still have a long way to go, especially black women.
I think there is still such an unsaid (yet very obvious) stigma with hiring black actresses in particular
because people have this notion of what black women "should be", how we "are" and what we "do"
therefore lumping us in these generic categories
and if you do not fit this trite niche then they have no idea
what to do with you. I feel that because of this mindset the big Hwood players are hesitant to allow a black actress to carry a film in a leading role.
This is a terribly hackneyed and disgusting mode of thought that needs to be rectified.
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Permalink Reply by Phactz on -
I'd rather have a film based on Harriet Tubman or Madame C.J. Walker compared to this snore fest that is Cleopatra's life. I feel where you're coming through Lunakiss. It's horseshit.
But I cant help but get annoyed at the fact that a good portion of black people would most likely not see it....just like Akeelah and the bee and the great debators.
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Permalink Reply by Eris on -
Phactz said:I'd rather have a film based on Harriet Tubman or Madame C.J. Walker compared to this snore fest that is Cleopatra's life. I feel where you're coming through Lunakiss. It's horseshit.
But I cant help but get annoyed at the fact that a good portion of black people would most likely not see it....just like Akeelah and the bee and the great debators.
Hey I saw Akeelah and the Bee! D8
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Permalink Reply by Lloyd Lacy on -
Cleopatra was part African and Greek. So the part should go to a mixed blood woman.
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Permalink Reply by Caliph Gibran Ali on -
i would have to agree with lloyd. i think it would almost be impossible to know for certain how black or white cleopatra looked.. but just because the macedonians had conquered egypt doesn't mean their bloodline had somehow undone all of those egyptians african attributes.. i mean looking at egyptians now we have to realize the romans came after the macedonians, and then arabs after them, and then turkish, and then french, and british.. all much whiter people.. from what i've seen of egyptian artifacts it seems to me the ancient egyptians would have most resembled the fulani, and woodabe, or tuareg peoples of the african sahel... many hundreds of years ago north africa was a savannah and not the parched dessert it is today. which shifts the geography of ancient egypt. rather than being a meditterranean nation cut-off from sub-saharan africa by the sahara/ a great amount more of it's borders were in africa rather then on the meditterranean. seems to me that there was probably a far greater influence from africa.
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Permalink Reply by kifaru on -
You realize Michelangelo was born about 1500 years later? Cleopatra is not even an Egyptian name. You guys are actually trying to hold onto a white foreign conquerer. Angelina Jolie would be perfect in the role as would any darker colored white European. Cleopatra Ptolemy was white and there is no shame in that. She was descended from Greeks from the upper classes of the Greeks who conquered Greece. There is no evidence that she was darker than any other Greek at the time.
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Cleopatra as illustrated by European Renaissance great Michaelangelo.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/03/16/cleopatra-african.html
"Was Cleopatra Part African?
AFP
March 16, 2009 -- Cleopatra may have been part-African and not Greek Caucasian, according to a British TV documentary to be shown this month, its makers said Sunday.
It has long been thought that the former Queen of Egypt's roots were in Greece, but the discovery of what experts believe are her sister's remains has revealed that the siblings had a part-African heritage.
The BBC documentary "Cleopatra: Portrait of a Killer" to be shown on March 23 shows the analysis of the discovery of human remains in a tomb in Ephesus, Turkey.
Using state-of-the-art facial reconstruction and forensic techniques with anthropological and architectural analysis of the tomb, the experts are convinced that the skeleton is the remains of Cleopatra's sister, Princess Arsinoe, who was murdered on Cleopatra's orders.
Archaeologist Hilke Thuer from the Austrian Academy of Science, who led the team, said: 'The results of the forensic examination and the fact that the facial reconstruction shows that Arsinoe had an African mother is a real sensation which leads to a new insight on Cleopatra's family and the relationship of the sisters Cleopatra and Arsinoe.' "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3792872/Elizabeth-T...
"Elizabeth Taylor's Cleopatra 'nowhere near reality' Elizabeth Taylor and Sophia Loren did their best but according to a leading Egyptologist, they came nowhere near to an accurate portrayal of ancient queen Cleopatra."
"Using images from ancient artefacts including a ring dating from Cleopatra's reign 2,000 years ago, Cambridge University's Sally Ann Ashton has pieced together an entirely different image that shows her as a mixed race beauty.
The three-dimensional, computer generated portrait bears little resemblance to the pale-skinned, heavily made-up versions created by Sophia Loren and Elizabeth Taylor in their 1954 and 1961 films.
Nor does it fit with the picture recently revealed of her on an ancient coin found in a bank vault, in which her shallow forehead, pointed chin, thin lips and hooked nose make her look more like a witch than a queen.
Ashton developed her image of the monarch - who came to power at the tender age of 18 - by looking at her Greek heritage as well as her Egyptian upbringing.
"She probably wasn't just completely European. You've got to remember that her family had actually lived in Egypt for 300 years by the time she came to power," she said.
The images will be broadcast this week as part of a Five documentary, Secrets of Egypt: Cleopatra. The programme looks at whether the portrayal of Cleopatra as a temptress who ruined two generals of Rome - Julius Caesar and Mark Antony - was the victim of Roman "spin" aimed at blackening her name.
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Permalink Reply by Lloyd Lacy on
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Thats true man.
Caliph Gibran Ali said:
i would have to agree with lloyd. i think it would almost be impossible to know for certain how black or white cleopatra looked.. but just because the macedonians had conquered egypt doesn't mean their bloodline had somehow undone all of those egyptians african attributes.. i mean looking at egyptians now we have to realize the romans came after the macedonians, and then arabs after them, and then turkish, and then french, and british.. all much whiter people.. from what i've seen of egyptian artifacts it seems to me the ancient egyptians would have most resembled the fulani, and woodabe, or tuareg peoples of the african sahel... many hundreds of years ago north africa was a savannah and not the parched dessert it is today. which shifts the geography of ancient egypt. rather than being a meditterranean nation cut-off from sub-saharan africa by the sahara/ a great amount more of it's borders were in africa rather then on the meditterranean. seems to me that there was probably a far greater influence from africa.
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