Angelina Jolie Will Be Playing The Role of Cleopatra In Stacy's Schiff's Upcoming Biography.

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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on March 10, 2011 at 1:01pm

I'm thinking bigger than Africa or Africans to be honest.  Because blackness comes from lived experience that is affected by real-time politics w/ that residual historical political influence, phenotype (as opposed to genotype), cultural and social meanings that group folks into ethnicities, communities, or just political blocs.  Being "black" (not just African--because there are non-black Africans) goes way beyond genes...

All that said I don't feign for a fake African connection or homeland or see all black ppl as my kin over other colors of people.  I acknowledge that, ethnically, black folks are ridiculously diverse (in a great way)--and experience wise I have more common and shared experiences w/ black folks in the diaspora who live in multicultural societies where the color of the owner/ruling class had traditionally been white.  *shrugs*

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Permalink Reply by The Deacon on March 10, 2011 at 2:49pm

     Exactly my point. African genes can be found globally, so what exactly is an African? History, political influence, geographic location has a lot to do with it.

     You made the statement about not seeing all blacks as your kin. Many Africans don't even recognize American blacks as such. It's not the recognition that binds us together but common history and continued oppression. Diversity don't circumvent that history. European oppression is what binds our consciousness together irregardless of that diversified history. I can go to South America tomorrow and will be having similar conversation with a brother that speak Spanish. I can go to France tomorrow and will be having the same conversation with a brother in France. The oppression may take different forms, but it's the same. I've ran into diversified groups of blacks in my lifetime, never met one that's not facing the same issues.

 

LesYpersound said:

I'm thinking bigger than Africa or Africans to be honest.  Because blackness comes from lived experience that is affected by real-time politics w/ that residual historical political influence, phenotype (as opposed to genotype), cultural and social meanings that group folks into ethnicities, communities, or just political blocs.  Being "black" (not just African--because there are non-black Africans) goes way beyond genes...

All that said I don't feign for a fake African connection or homeland or see all black ppl as my kin over other colors of people.  I acknowledge that, ethnically, black folks are ridiculously diverse (in a great way)--and experience wise I have more common and shared experiences w/ black folks in the diaspora who live in multicultural societies where the color of the owner/ruling class had traditionally been white.  *shrugs*

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Permalink Reply by kifaru on March 10, 2011 at 3:12pm

The bitch was white i.e. ostensibly of European descent. She ans her ancestors were the conquerors and oppressors of the indigenous population. Even if she did have a smidgen of indigenous blood in her, which she did not becuase her lineage is well documented, you would have to subscribe to a theory of hypodescent unheard of in that time. If you choose to claim her would you also claim James Watson, Peter Ustinov, and Adolf Hitler?

Peter Ustinov

DNA pioneer and bigot? James Watson

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Permalink Reply by Third Eye C on March 10, 2011 at 4:40pm

Well, I am having a series of shows on this type of situation.  I will be discussing Black superheroes tommorrow and some of what is being discussed here will be on that show.  Also, in the future, I will be having some Black directors on and you can introduce these topics.  I think that valid points have been made and the people that need to be discussing this are those that actually make th films.  Great discussion.

To call in:  1-909-533-8327

the shows link is:  http://www.blogtalkradio.com/chasitie-s-goodman

hope to hear from you!

Lunakiss said:

Yes, I would love to discuss this topic on air. How Do I do that?


Third Eye C said:

this was a very interesting topic, one that I have strong feelings about, would you all like to discuss this on air>

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/chasitie-s-goodman

 

let me know!  Very appropriate after the Oscars.

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Permalink Reply by Lunakiss on March 10, 2011 at 5:28pm

The Moors were also were in Italy. It makes sense. Shakespeare must had contact with a Moor during his time in Italy so it proves Moors settled in southern Europe at some point. Keep in mind the land masses were very close together.So its possible that Moors were part of Greece and other southern regions. 

The Deacon said:

What defines an African? You can probably dig within the genes to find out, but a huge segment of the world's population would have the same gene. They only define it when it's convenient for their purpose. One would think there was some race mixing in ancient Greece and Rome, but they don't seem to have the same issues with that history. The Moors were in Spain, France and other areas for 800 years. Where is the scrutiny of the population of Spain and France. The Spaniard act as if the Moors were never there.   They only scrutinize the African population to undermine our greatness.

LesYpersound said:

"Instead of seeing black people as a group who come from various backgrounds,this mentality also resonates with black ignorant people, they want to lump all black people in the same category and experience."

^^^ yep!

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Permalink Reply by Lunakiss on March 10, 2011 at 5:30pm

When will you have the discussion tomorrow? If it is today. I'm not able to do it.

Third Eye C said:

Well, I am having a series of shows on this type of situation.  I will be discussing Black superheroes tommorrow and some of what is being discussed here will be on that show.  Also, in the future, I will be having some Black directors on and you can introduce these topics.  I think that valid points have been made and the people that need to be discussing this are those that actually make th films.  Great discussion.

To call in:  1-909-533-8327

the shows link is:  http://www.blogtalkradio.com/chasitie-s-goodman

hope to hear from you!

Lunakiss said:

Yes, I would love to discuss this topic on air. How Do I do that?


Third Eye C said:

this was a very interesting topic, one that I have strong feelings about, would you all like to discuss this on air>

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/chasitie-s-goodman

 

let me know!  Very appropriate after the Oscars.

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Permalink Reply by K on August 7, 2011 at 4:58pm

No,

white society loves to steal others culture and label it as their own. Another token of white supremest propaganda. I love Angelina Jolie but I will not be watching this.

 

They just hate the fact that they have no hand in Egypt. They love the history and allure but hate that they had no part in it. They can't resist slapping their face on it. Another example is Xena warrior princess who was actually an West African Queen who ruled and conquered.

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