... the other Black experience
Is it right to be mad on a band because they made it?
This is in response to a thread. I won't dog anyone. When I was young I only listened underground. The mainstream didn't apply to me. I was young though. As I grew up more bands and identities got famous and in some ways bizarre. I heard Lemmy from Moterhed was tapped for an advice column in a magazine, Ice Cube did family movies, Ice-T, Rev Run and Rollins did TV and now you can hear all those old songs you loved in commercials. I like the car commercial with hamsters singing Black Sheep. Is it selling out? Possibly but at this age I am more wondering would I like for my heroes to get the recognition and fame they should or not. Of course a ton of artists have stayed "true" and made it big i guess. ICP is still basically unknown to major hip hop and metal, but they are far from broke. If these artist don't see a dime they can't make any more music. Say you are a true grass root band and some executive says we will make you big and give you loot but you don't have to change jack does that mean you are selling out? Not to me. My issue is more the bands that start big and dumb down or they to play tough and something to apply to the underground contingency. When Aviril Levigne came out all you heard was poseur. Is it even that bad to support a big band who just plainly makes good music for that matter. Are you in a sense "selling out" by giving support? thoughts?
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Permalink Reply by Spookycreep on
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The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway: a perfect example of what i'm talking about. Art. Art. Art. Listening to the old Genesis transported you to another place, a place of rual magic where elves and other magical creatures live. Collins transports you to the mall.
The Deacon said:When I hear Phil Collins I want to go wilding. I remember all that cheesy music he put out in the 80's. I hated the reunited Genesis also. I guess Phil was the bigger star by then, so had the most input. But I remember as kids experimenting with dope and listening to Genesis, Zep and Pink Floyd. There were a few Genesis tracks that would knock your balls off. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway would just kick the shit out of you; one of the reasons I couldn't figure out the garbage he put out. Hey, if I'm going to listen to that type of music, there were tons of other people doing it better New Order, The Cult and The Cure were on a dance thing then, but still maintained a level of authenticity.
Spookycreep said:This is an interesting disscussion. Makes me wonder if there is anyone out there who hates Genesis since Phil Collins took the lead. Personally, Phil Collins is okay, I like some of the songs "his" Gensises put out but they don't even begin to touch the ART the old Genesis used to create. And Gabriel on his own contuinus to make immaginative, creative music while Collins music sounds like it comes out of a can meant to be sold in the supermarket. It's pretty, makes you sing along and all the other things I,m sure the books say good music is suppose to do but. It's also shit you've heard before precisely because it follows the rules. I don't want to live in a world where rock n' rollers make a habit of doing that.
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Permalink Reply by Ghettopunkrocker on -
No, it's stupid to be mad at the band for the success that they've achieved. To me, a band only "sells out" if they're blatantly going against their core values.
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Permalink Reply by Darkness Unlimited* on -
Unfortunately, that's percisely what so many bands do.
Ghettopunkrocker said:No, it's stupid to be mad at the band for the success that they've achieved. To me, a band only "sells out" if they're blatantly going against their core values.
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Permalink Reply by Rachel Long on -
No, I think that "selling out" is not the case with every band. It depends. For instance, the bands I listen to are signed to major labels. They have not stopped recording music that is sincere and real. They are still legit; I can't say that for all bands because some do just churn out music that is like everyone else and cookie cutter. What I'm trying to say is you'll know when it's coming from the heart.
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Permalink Reply by Space Ghost on -
Like others have said, depends on where their talent has gone.
Has it gone to shit? Screw your new-found mainstream success.
Has it gotten better? Well, congratulations.
But a fan base can change my opinion as well.
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Permalink Reply by Fashionfreak on -
No people have to eat. BUT if their music sucks because of it then it's a shame.
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Permalink Reply by Jay Money on -
Taradactyl touched on the idea that most bands/artists have a "prolific" phase and that time period is long for some bands, and short for many. But as far as getting signed to a major label and "selling out" I don't see the connection. That is unless a band known for loud distorted guitars and odd-tempos switch their sound to squeaky clean pop-crooning and stop playing instruments all together.
I think it is less about bands selling out and more about as time goes on, even the greatest bands are no longer as hungry, as inspired, or as relevant as the next generation that is looking for a shot at stardom. Thank goodness for reunion tours and greatest hits collections. Gives those bands that did lose their way a chance to reconnect with the die-hard fans.
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