... the other Black experience
I became aware of the London Riots quite late in the day. I only really learnt about them happening late on Saturday. Since then then London is now on the 3rd day of the riots.
I understand the riots started after a peaceful protest in Tottenham by a family whose family member was killed. I don't understand why it has escalated to Hackney, Westfields Shopping Centre and Peckham - and apparently something is brewing in Harlesden.
Can anyone explain to me why this is happening? I mean is there anyone who knows why these guys are rioting because it can't really have anything to do with the friendly protest can it?
Permalink Reply by HCIIMAN on Riots are no demonstrations.
It's more like when your girlfriend breaks all the dishes because she discovered you
cheated on her.
She knows it's stupid.
She'll still do it.
One can not expect the bottom of society to have more ethics and morals than their leaders.
and we were given countless examples of their greed those past few years :
- Financial crisis (Banks)
- News Of The World scandal (Media and Police)
- Parliamentary expenses scandal (Internal Politics)
- Aggression on Libya (International Politics)
-...etc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_scandals_in_the_United_Kingdom)
Those same people (and many in this forum too apparently) wake up realizing that
there is something rotten in the society.
And now they are all calling for tough sanctions on those dumb rioters.
The truth is that those politicians and Media (they are the same cast anyway)
the same who pretend to know what is best for us.
the same who are eager to tell us what is happening on the other side of the world with a certainty that can not be questioned,
don't have a single clue on what is happening to a large part of the youth in their own country,
right under their noses.
As long as those kids kill each other in their council estates, it doesn't matter much,
but when they attack property; then it becomes something else.
Those kids were already there before the riots, and they were already stupid.
It may be because of:
many that get out of school at 16 without knowing how to read and write properly,
the authority of the family attacked by the state,
An education through dumb MTV, video games, reality TV, consumerism at all price.
The impression for the new generations that they'll get less opportunities than their parents...?
I don't know exactly what it is,
but I believe that it is something deeply rooted in the western society,
and wishing for a vengeance on those of the rioters who were caught,
is certainly not going to solve the problem.
It might well show how fucked up we are ourselves when
we feel our little comfort is threatened.
Permalink Reply by Darkness Unlimited* on 
Permalink Reply by meditation @ 4:20 on Here is one of countless reasons why niggas need to riot, and burn down Babylon all day.
This piece of shit gets to spread his bias, ignorant, racist propaganda and gets paid to do so.
First off I don't give a shit what colour you are, but if you are older, you should be wiser than this.
Elders are suppose to have and share wisdom, not fuckery!
And if you think this ass-clown is alone in his warped, opinions; google/search out articles where so-called black/brown/red people are the topic of interest and read the comments made by your fellow citizen pale pals.
Niggas need to wake up! It's been almost 500 years!
Nat Turner RIP (and forgive us for being suckas!)
Last updated at 1:43 AM on 14th August 2011
Historian David Starkey remained defiant last night after provoking a race storm by claiming the recent riots happened because too many young white people had ‘now become black’.
The broadcaster was branded a racist yesterday after an appearance on Friday night’s Newsnight programme, when he blamed the riots on a ‘violent, destructive and nihilistic’ gang culture, which he said was being embraced by many white and black people.
He stunned his fellow guests on the BBC2 show, writer Owen Jones and black author and broadcaster Dreda Say Mitchell, by placing the blame for the riots squarely with a form of black male culture that he said ‘mitigated against education’.
Controversy: David Starkey, left, said that Enoch Powell's infamous anti-immigration speech was correct in one aspect
He said: ‘A substantial section of the chavs have become black. The whites have become black. A particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic gangster culture has become the fashion.
‘Black and white, boy and girl operate in this language together. This language which is wholly false, which is a Jamaican patois, that’s been intruded in England and this is why so many of us have this sense of literally a foreign country.’
Fellow broadcasters, politicians and members of the public criticised his remarks on Twitter and other social networking sites yesterday, and some even predicted that his television career was now ruined.
Piers Morgan, the chat-show host and Mail on Sunday columnist, tweeted: ‘RIP David Starkey’s TV career. And good riddance. Racist idiot.’ Owen Jones, who challenged Dr Starkey during the Newsnight discussion, said: ‘David Starkey has had a career-ending moment, but in the current climate, his comments are very dangerous.’
David Starkey sparked anger as he suggested that black 'gangster' culture had become the norm
In a surprise move, the BBC’s business editor, Robert Peston, joined the chorus of disapproval, tweeting: ‘David Starkey’s nasty ignorance is best ignored not worthy of comment or debate.’ As a BBC employee, Mr Peston would normally be expected to be impartial about the channel’s output.
Dr Starkey last night denied he had said anything racist and said he stood by his comments, reiterating that in times of economic and political crisis, ‘plain speaking’ was needed.
He told The Mail on Sunday: ‘I said until I was blue in the face on the programme that I was not talking about skin colour but gang culture. A large group of whites have started to behave like blacks. I think that is the most unracial remark anyone can make.’
Dr Starkey caused further outrage on Newsnight by claiming that if people listened to David Lammy, the MP for Tottenham, on the radio, they would assume he was white.
David Starkey, right, talks to Emily Maitlis during the controversial broadcast last night
Riots: Mr Starkey claims this week's unrest was caused by the spread of black culture
He added last night: ‘David Lammy does sound white, so does [MP for Hackney North and Stoke Newington] Diane Abbott, because they’ve had a white cultural experience. It’s one of the reasons they don’t have any street credibility. They have no contact with the young.’
In an obvious reference to the phone-hacking scandal, Dr Starkey said that critics like Piers Morgan should concentrate on ‘their own legal difficulties’.
The historian revealed he had reread former Minister Enoch Powell’s infamous ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech in light of the tensions.
He said: ‘His prophecy was absolutely right in one sense. The Tiber didn’t foam with blood but flames lambent. They wrapped around Tottenham and around Clapham.’
Yesterday anyone trying to access Newsnight on the BBC’s iPlayer service was confronted with a warning stating: ‘Guidance: Contains some strong language’.
A BBC spokesman said last night: ‘Whilst we acknowledge that some people will have found David Starkey’s comments offensive, he was robustly challenged by [Newsnight] presenter Emily Maitlis and the other contributors.’
The BBC declined to comment on Mr Peston’s comments and said the warning on iPlayer related to one of the rioter’s text messages that Dr Starkey had read out.
David Lammy last night declined to comment.
Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on Quoted for truth...
yeah it's funny as hell like in post-Katrina NOLA, how the cops were okay w/ shooting to kill looters... it makes it clear that folks who defend the status quo see property as short hand for "civilized" if you get my meaning? and it's a certain kind of property--b/c obviously the City and the Army Corps of Engineering didn't give a shit about the homeowners in the Lower 9th Ward. And so... these so-called looters (disproportionately black and male) were murdered left and right by police and trigger happy white folks "defending themselves"... and it just became so apparent to me that they were defending property and NOT lives... i'unno, someone should write something about that and how it manifests itself ALL the time when the ruling caste (rich and the monied media) cover "riots".
HCIIMAN said:
Riots are no demonstrations.
It's more like when your girlfriend breaks all the dishes because she discovered you
cheated on her.
She knows it's stupid.
She'll still do it.
One can not expect the bottom of society to have more ethics and morals than their leaders.
and we were given countless examples of their greed those past few years :
- Financial crisis (Banks)
- News Of The World scandal (Media and Police)
- Parliamentary expenses scandal (Internal Politics)
- Aggression on Libya (International Politics)
-...etc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_scandals_in_the_United_Kingdom)
Those same people (and many in this forum too apparently) wake up realizing that
there is something rotten in the society.
And now they are all calling for tough sanctions on those dumb rioters.
The truth is that those politicians and Media (they are the same cast anyway)
the same who pretend to know what is best for us.
the same who are eager to tell us what is happening on the other side of the world with a certainty that can not be questioned,
don't have a single clue on what is happening to a large part of the youth in their own country,
right under their noses.
As long as those kids kill each other in their council estates, it doesn't matter much,
but when they attack property; then it becomes something else.
Those kids were already there before the riots, and they were already stupid.
It may be because of:
many that get out of school at 16 without knowing how to read and write properly,
the authority of the family attacked by the state,
An education through dumb MTV, video games, reality TV, consumerism at all price.
The impression for the new generations that they'll get less opportunities than their parents...?
I don't know exactly what it is,
but I believe that it is something deeply rooted in the western society,
and wishing for a vengeance on those of the rioters who were caught,
is certainly not going to solve the problem.
It might well show how fucked up we are ourselves when
we feel our little comfort is threatened.
Permalink Reply by kifaru on Sheesh Kifaru, you sure do jump at the chance to bash Black people. What the fuck gives, huh?!
Permalink Reply by Phactz on Lets forget about the niggas and what they "need to do"...whats stop you from getting it kicked off huh? College papers, exams, girl problems, money etc?
Speak up nigga, why you and a few others in this thread are so quick to tell others what they need to do. Why not you lead by example?
N/A said:
HERE IS WHY NIGGAS NEED TO RIOT, AND BURN DOWN BABYLON ALL DAY!
Here is one of countless reasons why niggas need to riot, and burn down Babylon all day.
This piece of shit gets to spread his bias, ignorant, racist propaganda and gets paid to do so.
First off I don't give a shit what colour you are, but if you are older, you should be wiser than this.
Elders are suppose to have and share wisdom, not fuckery!
And if you think this ass-clown is alone in his warped, opinions; google/search out articles where so-called black/brown/red people are the topic of interest and read the comments made by your fellow citizen pale pals.
Niggas need to wake up! It's been almost 500 years!
Nat Turner RIP (and forgive us for being suckas!)
'White chavs have become black': David Starkey TV outburst provokes race row as he claims Enoch Powell was right
Last updated at 1:43 AM on 14th August 2011
Historian David Starkey remained defiant last night after provoking a race storm by claiming the recent riots happened because too many young white people had ‘now become black’.
The broadcaster was branded a racist yesterday after an appearance on Friday night’s Newsnight programme, when he blamed the riots on a ‘violent, destructive and nihilistic’ gang culture, which he said was being embraced by many white and black people.
He stunned his fellow guests on the BBC2 show, writer Owen Jones and black author and broadcaster Dreda Say Mitchell, by placing the blame for the riots squarely with a form of black male culture that he said ‘mitigated against education’.
Controversy: David Starkey, left, said that Enoch Powell's infamous anti-immigration speech was correct in one aspect
He said: ‘A substantial section of the chavs have become black. The whites have become black. A particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic gangster culture has become the fashion.
‘Black and white, boy and girl operate in this language together. This language which is wholly false, which is a Jamaican patois, that’s been intruded in England and this is why so many of us have this sense of literally a foreign country.’
Fellow broadcasters, politicians and members of the public criticised his remarks on Twitter and other social networking sites yesterday, and some even predicted that his television career was now ruined.
Piers Morgan, the chat-show host and Mail on Sunday columnist, tweeted: ‘RIP David Starkey’s TV career. And good riddance. Racist idiot.’ Owen Jones, who challenged Dr Starkey during the Newsnight discussion, said: ‘David Starkey has had a career-ending moment, but in the current climate, his comments are very dangerous.’
David Starkey sparked anger as he suggested that black 'gangster' culture had become the norm
In a surprise move, the BBC’s business editor, Robert Peston, joined the chorus of disapproval, tweeting: ‘David Starkey’s nasty ignorance is best ignored not worthy of comment or debate.’ As a BBC employee, Mr Peston would normally be expected to be impartial about the channel’s output.
Dr Starkey last night denied he had said anything racist and said he stood by his comments, reiterating that in times of economic and political crisis, ‘plain speaking’ was needed.
He told The Mail on Sunday: ‘I said until I was blue in the face on the programme that I was not talking about skin colour but gang culture. A large group of whites have started to behave like blacks. I think that is the most unracial remark anyone can make.’
Dr Starkey caused further outrage on Newsnight by claiming that if people listened to David Lammy, the MP for Tottenham, on the radio, they would assume he was white.
David Starkey, right, talks to Emily Maitlis during the controversial broadcast last night
Riots: Mr Starkey claims this week's unrest was caused by the spread of black culture
He added last night: ‘David Lammy does sound white, so does [MP for Hackney North and Stoke Newington] Diane Abbott, because they’ve had a white cultural experience. It’s one of the reasons they don’t have any street credibility. They have no contact with the young.’
In an obvious reference to the phone-hacking scandal, Dr Starkey said that critics like Piers Morgan should concentrate on ‘their own legal difficulties’.
The historian revealed he had reread former Minister Enoch Powell’s infamous ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech in light of the tensions.
He said: ‘His prophecy was absolutely right in one sense. The Tiber didn’t foam with blood but flames lambent. They wrapped around Tottenham and around Clapham.’
Yesterday anyone trying to access Newsnight on the BBC’s iPlayer service was confronted with a warning stating: ‘Guidance: Contains some strong language’.
A BBC spokesman said last night: ‘Whilst we acknowledge that some people will have found David Starkey’s comments offensive, he was robustly challenged by [Newsnight] presenter Emily Maitlis and the other contributors.’
The BBC declined to comment on Mr Peston’s comments and said the warning on iPlayer related to one of the rioter’s text messages that Dr Starkey had read out.
David Lammy last night declined to comment.
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Permalink Reply by Hardwired on Angie said
"do you know about Cameron trouble youth?"
The last words on the video are so apt, hypocrites both of them. Never was one rule for the rich etc. more suitable. It's a pity the British media are too weak and / or indifferent.
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