Obama air strikes

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Permalink Reply by Dr. Know on January 31, 2009 at 4:55pm

This is a change. We weren't bombing them before :p

In all seriousness, this was inevitable. Presidents will be presidents.

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Permalink Reply by BlaqJeff on January 31, 2009 at 7:57pm

I don't know what you're surprised about. He said he would do it.
Still, he's a better choice than that other guy.

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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on January 31, 2009 at 8:27pm

Dr. Know said:

Presidents will be presidents.

what does that even mean?

not too sure he's better than the other guy (his energy policy is blah and bombing pakistan isn't cool), but they are definitely better than the other guy's vice prez pick. fuck her.

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Permalink Reply by 3amConspiracy on January 31, 2009 at 9:40pm

He's just doing what he said....

now what our coach has to say about it: last 5 or so seconds of the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkY5FuOKCi4

"they are who we thought they were" - Denny Green

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Permalink Reply by Nana Yeah! on January 31, 2009 at 10:00pm

I'm down for change... and if that change means we're going to fight who we were finally supposed to fight from 9/11 I have no problem with that...

I just hope people overseas don't take this as us still being bullies still. I'm worried.

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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on January 31, 2009 at 10:15pm

a further destabilized Pakistan is a very, very, very bad thing.
hopefully Obama will give substantial government aid (building schools, etc) to Pakistan in addition to bombing their borders...his stimulus plan is a bunch of bullshit -- waste of money.

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Permalink Reply by something else on February 1, 2009 at 9:05am

bombing the FATA and the Afghan border region won't work. These insurgents know the terrain like the back of their hand, so if you launch a bombing campaign in one area, they'll just move to another and stay kaput until the campaign moves to that area. Another important thing is every time we bomb insurgents, innocents are killed and as you all know, this creates more insurgents, "radicalism" and strife for the local population. This region has been involved in one conflict or another for the better part of the last half-century, if not more. They won't give up a fight, lol!

The Obama administration has to seriously change policy on this front because it's "change" from the Bush administration only in tone, not substance. His people need to figure out a way to fight the insurgents idealogically, instead of with bombs, bullets, F-22s, etc. Like another poster said, that could consist of giving aid for schools, hospitals, whatever else. Otherwise, he'll squander his fresh political capital in the Muslim world by appearing to be just a wolf in sheep's clothing, e.g. a nicer version of Bush.

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Permalink Reply by BlaqJeff on February 1, 2009 at 10:28am

no prayer for the human race said:

The Obama administration has to seriously change policy on this front because it's "change" from the Bush administration only in tone, not substance. His people need to figure out a way to fight the insurgents idealogically, instead of with bombs, bullets, F-22s, etc. Like another poster said, that could consist of giving aid for schools, hospitals, whatever else. Otherwise, he'll squander his fresh political capital in the Muslim world by appearing to be just a wolf in sheep's clothing, e.g. a nicer version of Bush.

How about we just pull out altogether? I don't know what we're supposed to gain by fighting in Afghanistan. I know it's supposed to be the War on Terror, but really, we know it's for a pipeline and some poppy fields.

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Permalink Reply by something else on February 1, 2009 at 10:35am

BlackJeff said:

no prayer for the human race said:

The Obama administration has to seriously change policy on this front because it's "change" from the Bush administration only in tone, not substance. His people need to figure out a way to fight the insurgents idealogically, instead of with bombs, bullets, F-22s, etc. Like another poster said, that could consist of giving aid for schools, hospitals, whatever else. Otherwise, he'll squander his fresh political capital in the Muslim world by appearing to be just a wolf in sheep's clothing, e.g. a nicer version of Bush.

How about we just pull out altogether? I don't know what we're supposed to gain by fighting in Afghanistan. I know it's supposed to be the War on Terror, but really, we know it's for a pipeline and some poppy fields.

It's an issue of Pakistan becoming a "failed state" and it's nuclear capability falling into the hands of "radicals." That and something related to supply routes for NATO forces in Afghanistan, I believe. I'm not sure if the UNOCAL (or whatever company took its place) plan is still on the horizon with hostilities in the Hindu Kush mtn region, it's supposedly it's al-qaida and the taliban's base of operations post-2001.

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Permalink Reply by ScremingMimi25 on February 1, 2009 at 12:59pm

He has said that in every debate...that's not a surprise.

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Permalink Reply by J9 on February 4, 2009 at 9:38pm

I think Obama needs to do what he needs to do to get/kill insurgents and if intelligence is telling him to bomb pakistan, then bomb pakistan. were not going to stop them from plotting agianst us by using good will ambassadors. Sure we need to work with people and help them rebuild their country but we've given the leaders over there a lot of time to get rid of these groups and they havent. If insurgents and militant groups are hiding in villages then they are setting up innocent people to get killed knowingly and thats wrong on their part, but we have to go after them

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Permalink Reply by Devin on February 4, 2009 at 9:49pm

jeanine finley said:

I think Obama needs to do what he needs to do to get/kill insurgents and if intelligence is telling him to bomb pakistan, then bomb pakistan. were not going to stop them from plotting against us by using good will ambassadors. Sure we need to work with people and help them rebuild their country but we've given the leaders over there a lot of time to get rid of these groups and they havent. If insurgents and militant groups are hiding in villages then they are setting up innocent people to get killed knowingly and thats wrong on their part, but we have to go after them

Has it ever occurred to you that these "Terrorist"/ "Insurgents" don't just come up out of the desert in a vaccum? Do you realize that our past and current actions is what motivates these groups to be formed in the first place. Do you realize everytime we support Israel in their bombings on their neighbors we give more and more reasons for "terrorist to form. It is not about a "good will ambassador" it is about getting out of the middle east and stop, imperializing ,supporting Israels killing, sending economic hitmen and killing up innocent civilians. No one is justifying terrorism, but to think these people are just doing becuase of religions or whatever silly reason is ridiculous and the bottom line is we need to just keep our hands out of Muslim countries.

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