Section 8 and The System

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Permalink Reply by Golem_3 on July 28, 2010 at 12:22am

well, let me establish first off... there is no more section 8.
Its been cut off in a lot states (especially New York).
So discussing that would be moot.

As far as whether receiving Govt. assistance replaces the father in the household, I'm not sure if I've seen that being a factor in tearing apart the man from his paternal duties. There's no law that says a family can't get food stamps or Medicaid if the mother lives with the father of her children.

State programs are starting to tighten their grip on people recieving aid. All adults in those households are mandated to attend back-to-work/ Workforce programs, and in some cases the state will even pay for them to go to school/ acquire a trade skill.

I wouldn't blame the system. If the person has the wrong attitude about their life, then its not up to anyone else to fix their internal problems. Those people you see being lazy are that way due to their own accord.
And, for the record, accepting federal or state aid/ emergency assistance doesn't deem a person lazy. What that person DOES (after they get the help) is what determines the kind of character/drive they have.

The majority of the people on welfare are not living on easy street. As far as "personal pride" goes, its kinda hard to speak on theoretical pride when a single-mother has children to feed,(while having NO medical insurance) after her boyfriend left the scene.
Again,... its not the program, its up to the individual to rise up out of the ashes.

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Permalink Reply by Robert Lee on July 28, 2010 at 1:43am

One of my family members was forced to apply for govt asst. while attending grad school and moving to another state. So I totally understand that not everyone is abusing the system. But here in Ohio, there is a large percentage of women that refuse to strive for more and purposely wait around for that sweet golden ticket called The Section 8 Lottery. I know of many women with children that use The System as if it were a back-up man and think they're successfully raising a household minus a male influence ((Sister-girl voice "I don't need no man")). I believe its time to let the hopeless "Man its hard out here" Mentality go and step up and become responsible for own actions. I hate to see my beautiful people with so much potential just settle for spoon fed crumbs and pass this Govt. Step Dad knowledge down to Generation Y.

Golem_3 said:

well, let me establish first off... there is no more section 8.
Its been cut off in a lot states (especially New York).
So discussing that would be moot.

As far as whether receiving Govt. assistance replaces the father in the household, I'm not sure if I've seen that being a factor in tearing apart the man from his paternal duties. There's no law that says a family can't get food stamps or Medicaid if the mother lives with the father of her children.

State programs are starting to tighten their grip on people recieving aid. All adults in those households are mandated to attend back-to-work/ Workforce programs, and in some cases the state will even pay for them to go to school/ acquire a trade skill.

I wouldn't blame the system. If the person has the wrong attitude about their life, then its not up to anyone else to fix their internal problems. Those people you see being lazy are that way due to their own accord.
And, for the record, accepting federal or state aid/ emergency assistance doesn't deem a person lazy. What that person DOES (after they get the help) is what determines the kind of character/drive they have.

The majority of the people on welfare are not living on easy street. As far as "personal pride" goes, its kinda hard to speak on theoretical pride when a single-mother has children to feed,(while having NO medical insurance) after her boyfriend left the scene.
Again,... its not the program, its up to the individual to rise up out of the ashes.

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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on July 28, 2010 at 2:08pm

a general response: i think the "welfare state" is mostly an illusion, sure some ppl scam the system, but i think the whole image of a welfare queen is fictional. instead of saying, omfg there are scammers in the world we should cut EVERY form of assistance that could be scammed off--we should be saying, how can we make these systems more efficient and respond to fraud more easily?
and while the welfare queen is still being played up the HOME OWNERS who have been shafted and left to get bent over and fucked down in NOLA are ignored and called refugees.

folk want their soundbytes and to feel righteous... and refuse to acknowledge that this world and many of our problems are a very opaque shade of grey.

also, this is a tangent, but i think it's relevant because it's about housing-- since my mom listens to right wing radio I've heard this argument made a lot--where conservatives are blaming freddie mac and fannie mae for the housing bubble and collapse. basically these half gov't half private institutions bought up riskier loans in an attempt to make home ownership more affordable to under-served communities. instead of having good faith in the idea of INTERGENERATIONAL WEALTH, these backtracking conservative knee jerk reactionaries want to scrap the whole thing and blame the government for PREDATORY LOAN companies who targeted, lied, and falsified documents for a commission and then passed on the risk to other, larger banks who in turn restructured, repackaged, and resold the risk of these loans across the globe and to even larger institutions.

basically, ppl want to blame the government for the stupidity, myopia, and self-destructive behavior of the financial sector... lmfao... all this while saying that gov't regulation and oversight is the most evil thing EVAR.

Not to mention, that these poorer people who were preyed upon by nonsensical scheming white collar bastards want to stay in their modest homes but are now caught underwater (where their houses are worth less than the initial mortgage/loan they took out to buy it--since there was a major housing bubble) and all that needs to be done is for someone to restructure their mortgages so they're not bleeding money and starving their families to pay for these homes that they really want to stay in... and that the restructuring of the mortgage is the cheapest solution for EVERYONE involved including the banks, but that's not happening... and people don't want to talk about how to make this happen, they just want to say: OH LOOK AT THESE LAZY FUCKERS not paying their mortgages...

This whole shit is fucked up and I'm tired of working poor people getting blamed for the GREED of the middle and upper classes in this society and the sheer stupidity of the "free market".

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