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So if punk is a mentality
which artist in any genre or medium do you consider punk? Be sure to state what they do.
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Permalink Reply by Jay on -
punk is a genre of music. when you listen to the genre of music, the mentality rubs off on you. people always get it twisted.
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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on -
uhm, punk appealed/appeals to me because it connected with me and vice versa.
the mentality didn't "rub off" on me... it was already there and punk was a good expression of what was going on inside my head, what i was feeling, and explained some of the bullshit around me.
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Permalink Reply by PolarVibez on -
Ralph Ellison,Stanley Kubrick,Spike Lee,Basquait,Pollock,John Coltrane,Miles Davis,Ornette Coleman,Betty Davis,George Clinton,Billie Holiday singin' Strange Fruit,Public Enemy,Fela Kuti,Nina Simone,Lee Perry,Kool Keith,Def Jux,Kraftwerk..Aphex Twin,...These are just some of the people or entities off the top of my head who represent that elusive energy I get from punk.Noncomformist,people who did something truly revolutionary in their time/genre. Punk to me is an artist who say's fuck what's been done, I'm going to do this. If an artist has done that at some point in their career or has just stood up for what they thought was right beyond just music(see Fela,Nina Simone,Bob Marley...)to me they were/are punk.
That's my answer to the question at hand. If punk is a mentality...
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Permalink Reply by Daryl on -
not at all. Punk is a state of mind, 100%. You don't ever had to have listened to punk to have the inclination of being punk. Che Guevara was punk, he was a rebel, Nelson Mandela. People were called punks before there was a genre. So I think you have it twisted.
Jay said:punk is a genre of music. when you listen to the genre of music, the mentality rubs off on you. people always get it twisted.
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Permalink Reply by lyfenlyn on -
U forgot Ruth Brown, John Lurie of the Lounge Lizards, and Saul Williams. I'll add Lupe Fiasco for the simple fact that he's swimming upstream in a river of shit. (the hip hop industry right now) He's standing firm in his intellect and aint apolojising for it either. I would say Martin Luther King was punk---b/c he was not skurd to get in peoples faces and go to jail. It was very nonconformist at that time to not be ashamed of being black.
James Brown, his enegry alone made him straight punk uncut.
PolariVibez said:Ralph Ellison,Stanley Kubrick,Spike Lee,Basquait,Pollock,John Coltrane,Miles Davis,Ornette Coleman,Betty Davis,George Clinton,Billie Holiday singin' Strange Fruit,Public Enemy,Fela Kuti,Nina Simone,Lee Perry,Kool Keith,Def Jux,Kraftwerk..Aphex Twin,...These are just some of the people or entities off the top of my head who represent that elusive energy I get from punk.Noncomformist,people who did something truly revolutionary in their time/genre. Punk to me is an artist who say's fuck what's been done, I'm going to do this. If an artist has done that at some point in their career or has just stood up for what they thought was right beyond just music(see Fela,Nina Simone,Bob Marley...)to me they were/are punk.
That's my answer to the question at hand. If punk is a mentality...
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Permalink Reply by Ghettopunkrocker on -
This is a good question...y'know, I've always felt, if anyone has a mentality to defy the status quo with a DIY. Then that is being a rebel. Punk really started out as Garage Rock and Rock and Roll. Some of them wanted to just do rock and roll that rebelled against prog rock and corporate rock music and other bands just wanted to experiment. But that rebellious spirit throughout fueled there art. Some of the music was crass and crude, but, it was genuine and honest. Another good subject to look up is proto-punk or pre-punk history.
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Permalink Reply by Ghettopunkrocker on
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Fun Facts about the following artists and there punk connections or punk influence
Funkadelic did a lot of gigs with MC5 and The Stooges in Detroit.
Kraftwerk did some stuff that could be considered post-punk.
MC5 were influenced by Free Jazz guys like Sun Ra, Ornette Coleman and Coletrane.
Public Enemy was shunned by Russell Simmons calling it Black Punk Rock.
Lee Perry worked with The Clash and fronted a punk group called "The Terrorists"
Kool Keith had an idea of starting an all black punk band.
Bob Marley did "Punky Reggae Party" that was about punks and rastas and jamming out together and Steve Jones stole his amp in the middle of a performance.
Aphex Twin is in the tradition of experimentation.
PolariVibez said:Ralph Ellison,Stanley Kubrick,Spike Lee,Basquait,Pollock,John Coltrane,Miles Davis,Ornette Coleman,Betty Davis,George Clinton,Billie Holiday singin' Strange Fruit,Public Enemy,Fela Kuti,Nina Simone,Lee Perry,Kool Keith,Def Jux,Kraftwerk..Aphex Twin,...These are just some of the people or entities off the top of my head who represent that elusive energy I get from punk.Noncomformist,people who did something truly revolutionary in their time/genre. Punk to me is an artist who say's fuck what's been done, I'm going to do this. If an artist has done that at some point in their career or has just stood up for what they thought was right beyond just music(see Fela,Nina Simone,Bob Marley...)to me they were/are punk.
That's my answer to the question at hand. If punk is a mentality...
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Permalink Reply by PolarVibez on
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See,and I wasn't even aware of some of those connections. That just goes to show, It's all energy or a certain spirit. Energy is like a magnet, it has a way of seeking out things with a similar affinity. So many people express the same idea in different ways.
Ghettopunkrocker said:Fun Facts about the following artists and there punk connections or punk influence
Funkadelic did a lot of gigs with MC5 and The Stooges in Detroit.
Kraftwerk did some stuff that could be considered post-punk.
MC5 were influenced by Free Jazz guys like Sun Ra, Ornette Coleman and Coletrane.
Public Enemy was shunned by Russell Simmons calling it Black Punk Rock.
Lee Perry worked with The Clash and fronted a punk group called "The Terrorists"
Kool Keith had an idea of starting an all black punk band.
Bob Marley did "Punky Reggae Party" that was about punks and rastas and jamming out together and Steve Jones stole his amp in the middle of a performance.
Aphex Twin is in the tradition of experimentation.
PolariVibez said:Ralph Ellison,Stanley Kubrick,Spike Lee,Basquait,Pollock,John Coltrane,Miles Davis,Ornette Coleman,Betty Davis,George Clinton,Billie Holiday singin' Strange Fruit,Public Enemy,Fela Kuti,Nina Simone,Lee Perry,Kool Keith,Def Jux,Kraftwerk..Aphex Twin,...These are just some of the people or entities off the top of my head who represent that elusive energy I get from punk.Noncomformist,people who did something truly revolutionary in their time/genre. Punk to me is an artist who say's fuck what's been done, I'm going to do this. If an artist has done that at some point in their career or has just stood up for what they thought was right beyond just music(see Fela,Nina Simone,Bob Marley...)to me they were/are punk.
That's my answer to the question at hand. If punk is a mentality...
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Permalink Reply by Rosenda on -
Y'all said it. Punk blew a whole open in my universe and a bunch of other sounds and pictures and realities came into my along with it and after it. That's for sure. ;)
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Permalink Reply by PolarVibez on
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Y'know, I was thinking about Ruth Brown and also Bessie Smith along with some others but I didn't wanna make my list too long. We could also add Robert Johnson and James Brown's energy was definately punk, even his rigidness in controling his band and national pandering(Say it Loud,not withstanding) couldn't even contain it. Saul always impressesd me especially in his early days because he went completely left field when most poets were stuck on that Love Jones tip. MLK was powerful and very dangerous to the staus quo. It's arguable that he was and could've been more effective than the nationalist movement would've been alone. His message was changing Black minds as well as White minds and he wasn't afraid. There's nothing more punk than that. Hence,why some people saw fit to take him away from us.
lyfenlyn said:U forgot Ruth Brown, John Lurie of the Lounge Lizards, and Saul Williams. I'll add Lupe Fiasco for the simple fact that he's swimming upstream in a river of shit. (the hip hop industry right now) He's standing firm in his intellect and aint apolojising for it either. I would say Martin Luther King was punk---b/c he was not skurd to get in peoples faces and go to jail. It was very nonconformist at that time to not be ashamed of being black.
James Brown, his enegry alone made him straight punk uncut.
PolariVibez said:Ralph Ellison,Stanley Kubrick,Spike Lee,Basquait,Pollock,John Coltrane,Miles Davis,Ornette Coleman,Betty Davis,George Clinton,Billie Holiday singin' Strange Fruit,Public Enemy,Fela Kuti,Nina Simone,Lee Perry,Kool Keith,Def Jux,Kraftwerk..Aphex Twin,...These are just some of the people or entities off the top of my head who represent that elusive energy I get from punk.Noncomformist,people who did something truly revolutionary in their time/genre. Punk to me is an artist who say's fuck what's been done, I'm going to do this. If an artist has done that at some point in their career or has just stood up for what they thought was right beyond just music(see Fela,Nina Simone,Bob Marley...)to me they were/are punk.
That's my answer to the question at hand. If punk is a mentality...
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Permalink Reply by BlaqJeff on -
Re:Dwayne said:LesYpersound said:uhm, punk appealed/appeals to me because it connected with me and vice versa.
the mentality didn't "rub off" on me... it was already there and punk was a good expression of what was going on inside my head, what i was feeling, and explained some of the bullshit around me.
I feel the same way.
I third that emotion. The first time I heard punk, I knew it was for me. It was what I was looking for, but I didn't know I was looking for it. Punk is about more than the just and it's bigger than a specific genre. Yeah, there are bands that sound punk, but there are bands that don't sound punk who are punk as fuck. Take the Talking Heads, Blondie, Patti Smith etc...OK, they don't sound punk, but they had that punk spirit that's evident in there music.
Afrikka Bambaattaa and Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5 are punk as fuck. It's no coincidence that rap and punk came of age around the same time. Both scenes/subcultures had the same sense of rebelliousness. Both eventually became co-opted by the mainstream and their original meanings have been lost.
Oh yeah. Let's not forget the legendary Fishbone. In their heyday, those brothers were punk as fuck!
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Permalink Reply by lyfenlyn on
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Rap was seen as punk for black people, and @ the particular moment both were climbing out of the womb of NYC, they were co-mingling downtown. Both scenes were vibing eachother. I think they are kissin cousins.
BlackJeff said:Re:Dwayne said:LesYpersound said:uhm, punk appealed/appeals to me because it connected with me and vice versa.
the mentality didn't "rub off" on me... it was already there and punk was a good expression of what was going on inside my head, what i was feeling, and explained some of the bullshit around me.
I feel the same way.
I third that emotion. The first time I heard punk, I knew it was for me. It was what I was looking for, but I didn't know I was looking for it. Punk is about more than the just and it's bigger than a specific genre. Yeah, there are bands that sound punk, but there are bands that don't sound punk who are punk as fuck. Take the Talking Heads, Blondie, Patti Smith etc...OK, they don't sound punk, but they had that punk spirit that's evident in there music.
Afrikka Bambaattaa and Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5 are punk as fuck. It's no coincidence that rap and punk came of age around the same time. Both scenes/subcultures had the same sense of rebelliousness. Both eventually became co-opted by the mainstream and their original meanings have been lost.
Oh yeah. Let's not forget the legendary Fishbone. In their heyday, those brothers were punk as fuck!
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