The DISEASE ov CHRISTENDOM & What it Does to Black People!

Woe.

My ACPTSD hath rendered me fatigued & disillusioned. I feel little more that woe at this point.

While watching the 2nd half ov that British docu. on De-racialization, i noticed a list ov other videos. One ov them was titled "Satan-worshiping celebs" or some such non-sense. Ovcourse i was curious, so in the [often mis-guided] spirit ov "open-mindedness" i watch it.
Now, i've never kept up on mainstream Rap & i have no idea what Jay-Z in particular talks about. But apparently there's a lyric in one ov his more recent songs that talks about religion, etc. with the usual play on words. Blah, right? Meaningless trite, faaar from a glaring endorsment ov Satan. To even suggest such ranks right up there with alien probes & birthers, right?
HOWEVER...
...this here video is ov your typical possessed xtian re`tard blabbering on about how Jay-Z is a Satan-worshipper, how Jay-Z's "calling out Jesus", etc. b/c ov a line or two in a song that seems to be alittle critical ov the church. REALLY? Watch the video yourselves, don't take my word for it.

You see folks, THIS is exactly what christendom does to people ov colour! Well, it does this to ALL people it infects, but for poc the effects seem to be far more detrimental. This is EXACTLY what i had to put up with all my life. From the very moment i started wearing band shirts (12-13) i was automatically called a devil-worshiper. I didn't even have a concept ov religion back then! THIS is how christians are, this is how THEY ALL are! [Maybe some] christians are tolerant ov other religions, maybe. But if you appear to be just the slightest bit critical - EVEN ON THE MOST REASONABLE LEVEL - ov christendom, they automatically slander you a "Devil-worshiper"! At this point the term means very little to me, personally. But ovcourse, any & every goddamn time christian re`tards use it, it's in a derogatory way. It's basically a slur, like calling someone a "faggot". It's on that level.

And AS IF anything were even wrong with being a Satan worshipper to begin with! Or being Muslim, for that matter, christians being insanely hateful ov all Muslims as well.

Christians are monsters. They're all monsters, i honestly don't know ov any other way to put it. I'm just soo sick ov their shit.
Btw, [no]ThanksGiving is upon us. A great reminder ov what CHRISTIANS do when they decide to take something from someone else, that doesn't fucking belong to them! Bastards!

http://clutchmagonline.com/newsgossipinfo/satan-worshipping-celebs-...

Tags: christendom, christians, disease, idiots, slave-minded

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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on January 7, 2010 at 8:07pm

Anyway this quote is making its' rounds on the blogs/tumblrs i look at:

"If a person doesn’t already understand that cruelty is wrong, he won’t discover this by reading the Bible or the Koran — as these books are bursting with celebrations of cruelty, both human and divine. We do not get our morality from religion. We decide what is good in our good books by recourse to moral intuitions that are (at some level) hard-wired in us and that have been refined by thousands of years of thinking about the causes and possibilities of human happiness.

"We have made considerable moral progress over the years, and we didn’t make this progress by reading the Bible or the Koran more closely. Both books condone the practice of slavery — and yet every civilized human being now recognizes that slavery is an abomination. Whatever is good in scripture — like the golden rule — can be valued for its ethical wisdom without our believing that it was handed down to us by the creator of the universe."

( Sam Harris via: TYWKIWDBI and Drink Kool-Aid )

Cameron what do you think about this quote?
How much do you believe in a personal God's involvement with the human condition and your life?

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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on January 7, 2010 at 9:36pm

My family comes from the Philippines and that kind of servitude isn't like chattel slavery for sure, but the principals of liberalism fly in the face of even considering them servants rather than helpers or friends of the family--but i'm pretty sure the slavery reference was to the Old Testament, but the fact that people can use and manipulate the Bible which does have so much oppression and cruelty in the OT is a dangerous thing... especially if people want to use their religious beliefs to inform their political and ethical opinions/actions and the press them onto the rest of the population.

Honestly, that's my biggest problem with religious people when they want to force their views on other people via politics or evangelism--which you've said you don't do--so props to you.

Cameron Robinson said:

I think it's okay to a degree. I'm revisiting a book called mere Christianity where the author is attempting, at the point I'm at in the book, about a universal morality or nature hard-wired within. I haven't researched much of the Old testament and slavery but I have of the New. They were called bondservants, normally paid, given a home and food treated very well. It was like a contract between them but the master had say of the servant's life. A lot of people would take advantage of that but Paul writes that they were now brothers and should act as such. I know it was sort of similar in the Old Testament but I'm really sketchy on it. If anything they were treated like family. It's not like the slavery we know today. It was extremely different.
I do believe there is an extremely personal God who really just wants to be apart of everyday life.

LesYpersound said:
Anyway this quote is making its' rounds on the blogs/tumblrs i look at:

"If a person doesn’t already understand that cruelty is wrong, he won’t discover this by reading the Bible or the Koran — as these books are bursting with celebrations of cruelty, both human and divine. We do not get our morality from religion. We decide what is good in our good books by recourse to moral intuitions that are (at some level) hard-wired in us and that have been refined by thousands of years of thinking about the causes and possibilities of human happiness.

"We have made considerable moral progress over the years, and we didn’t make this progress by reading the Bible or the Koran more closely. Both books condone the practice of slavery — and yet every civilized human being now recognizes that slavery is an abomination. Whatever is good in scripture — like the golden rule — can be valued for its ethical wisdom without our believing that it was handed down to us by the creator of the universe."

( Sam Harris via: TYWKIWDBI and Drink Kool-Aid )

Cameron what do you think about this quote?
How much do you believe in a personal God's involvement with the human condition and your life?

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Permalink Reply by Madamoiselle De Sade on January 7, 2010 at 10:21pm

For some reason I'm on "page 15 of about 1". You guys broke the thread.

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Permalink Reply by Darkness Unlimited* on January 8, 2010 at 4:40pm

What exactly to do you have against the beliefs themselves? It seems to me that your problem is with all the hypocrites who claim to be Christians but don't seem to really act like it. What you describe is not what I have read and studied about Christianity(by this I mean New Testament teachings and early Christian doctrines). This is Christianity not what these arrogant proud people claim to be. I do appologize on behalf of those who claim to be Christians. I would think that they would live up to the title (after all, the word literally means little Christ or like-Christ). The basis of how I treat others and relate to those who are not Christians is found in Matthew 5-7 if you'd care to look. Once again, I'm sorry. I can see why you are so angry but once again it's never okay to put a group of people in a category and think that EVERY single person is like that...
And I know a little about Unganda and Missions there. Once again, you're taking one isolated event from obvious hypocrites who aren't really Christians. What if every athiest I've met was complete jackass. Would I be justified in lumping them up and assuming they're all the same. It's just very narrow minded to think everyone of a certain group is a certain way. I'm not trying to belittle what has happened to you or what "Christians" have done at all and if it appears that way, I'm sorry. I'm simply stating that what I have read and known and seen among my friends and those whom I would call Christians is not what you describe.
Look up shane claiborne and the simple way. Great examples of how the bible ACTUALLY says Christians ought to live.

Right. So, any christian who does fucked up things isn't really a christian at all. Therefore, only REAL christians do good, & cannot at all be held up to account for ALL those hypocrites who do awful things in the name ov christ, right?

Sorry Cameron, but i've heard that worn out old excuse from "liberal" christians countless times before & it just don't hold.

Christians MUST be held to account for the things that THEY do. They don't just get to have a "get outta jail free" pass by pointing at "bad" examples, claiming they're "not really christians anyways", & point to themselves as the TRUE followers ov the word ov jesus. There are certain things that simply come along with being a christian. And no, you can't have it both ways either. So to correct you, NO, my problem isn't with all the hypocrites who claim to be christians but don't seem to really act like it.
It is with CHRISTIANS. As i've said many times before, i don't bother myself to chop & dice christians up into itty bitty little groups & sub-groups. I just toss 'em ALL into the same rotten pot b/c that's exactly where they ALL belong, anyways!

Lemme ask you this. Since your confidence in the "New Testament" teachings and early christian doctrines seem soo solid, perhaps YOU can be the 1st christian to answer [afew] ov my perfectly reasonable questions. Here goes:

How old do YOU think the Earth is?
Was jesus a person ov colour, you think?
Who wrote the bible?
You ok with a book that so explicitly endorses SLAVERY?
Were Adam & Eve Black, you think?
You ok with gays getting married?
Women came from a man's rib - you believe that shit?
Noah's ark - seriously?

Is the bible meant to be taken literally (all those fucked up hypocrites sure seem to think so)? If NOT, then why hasn't the bible been revised [by now] to say what it actually means?

I'm waiting...

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Permalink Reply by Darkness Unlimited* on January 8, 2010 at 4:56pm

Btw Cameron,

you were right when you said you knew a little about Uganda. Waaay too little. What's going on over there isn't an "isolated" incident. What i'm talking about is a bill in [their] congress which, if passed, would officially make homosexuality punishable by DEATH! This, in a country where gays already face ruthless persecution. Albeit, such persecution is probably on the part ov ALL religious fanatics there, it was CHRISTIANS who were particularly being apealed to with such homophobic lesgislation. There's nothing isolated about that!

And if every single atheist you every came across was a jerk to you (with out due cause), then sure - you have my permission to lump 'em all into the same group, as if you don't already.
Only thing with that is, atheists don't have the same fucked up history that christians do.

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Permalink Reply by Sekou on January 8, 2010 at 7:42pm

why did you bring it up then???

I notice a trend/pattern people (mainly athiests and agnostics) when debating/discussing religion and spirituality with them.....most of the time they find it difficult to separate the two. You say "spirituality"....and you can tell by their facial expressions and body language that their brain is conjuirng up images of Jesus and crucifixes and all the negative things they associate with Christianity...as alot of us have been conditioned to think of religion the instant we hear the term "spirituality"....2 different trees that bear similar fruit, not the same

so what is your take on Buddhism, Ms De Sade???

Mlle d. Sade said:

It doesn't and it shouldn't. Mainly because it's not real.

Sekou said:
eternal world??

are you talking about the concept of heaven?? If so....how does that fit in???

Mlle d. Sade said:
It doesn't matter. Religion is not needed for either. We are capable all on our on- there is no eternal other world to live for, only the here and now. We govern ourselves for each others' benefit.

Sekou said:
so the questions remains:

did Homo sapiens have a sense of morality before we had a sense of spirituality??

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Permalink Reply by Civilized Radical Films on January 8, 2010 at 9:00pm

I'm just waiting for someone to point out all the postive things those on the Agnostic/Atheist/Anti Religon spectrum, have brought on to influcence society or the world. Because other than self-improvement and free-thought, I've got nothing.

This thread has been nothing more than a circle-jerk fest of assumptions because of past expirences involving christians, let us ignore the many postive the christian faith has done to help better the world (and yes, some do it because it's the right thing to do.), no! Let's focus on only the negatives. Let us have TUNNEL VISION of what the Christian faith is all about. Yes, that will work, and yet we are all doing so much better to help improve the quality of human life by bickering with each other back and forth on a messageboard! Awesome just awesome.

"Only thing with that is, atheists don't have the same fucked up history that christians do."

Do the Khmer Rouge/Pol Pot or Josef Stalin ring a bell, Damos? No? Aww, you'll think of something.

@Cameron; Welcome to the forums, you'll see much more tom fuckery and contradiction like this. Enjoy....

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Permalink Reply by chelles on January 8, 2010 at 9:52pm

hah!! cricle jerk!!

DJ Random Brotha said:

I'm just waiting for someone to point out all the postive things those on the Agnostic/Atheist/Anti Religon spectrum, have brought on to influcence society or the world. Because other than self-improvement and free-thought, I've got nothing.

This thread has been nothing more than a circle-jerk fest of assumptions because of past expirences involving christians, let us ignore the many postive the christian faith has done to help better the world (and yes, some do it because it's the right thing to do.), no! Let's focus on only the negatives. Let us have TUNNEL VISION of what the Christian faith is all about. Yes, that will work, and yet we are all doing so much better to help improve the quality of human life by bickering with each other back and forth on a messageboard! Awesome just awesome.

"Only thing with that is, atheists don't have the same fucked up history that christians do."

Do the Khmer Rouge/Pol Pot or Josef Stalin ring a bell, Damos? No? Aww, you'll think of something.

@Cameron; Welcome to the forums, you'll see much more tom fuckery and contradiction like this. Enjoy....

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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on January 9, 2010 at 2:50am

*yawn* you've been ignoring all of my posts. lmao.

Sekou said:

why did you bring it up then???

I notice a trend/pattern people (mainly athiests and agnostics) when debating/discussing religion and spirituality with them.....most of the time they find it difficult to separate the two. You say "spirituality"....and you can tell by their facial expressions and body language that their brain is conjuirng up images of Jesus and crucifixes and all the negative things they associate with Christianity...as alot of us have been conditioned to think of religion the instant we hear the term "spirituality"....2 different trees that bear similar fruit, not the same

so what is your take on Buddhism, Ms De Sade???

Mlle d. Sade said:
It doesn't and it shouldn't. Mainly because it's not real.

Sekou said:
eternal world??

are you talking about the concept of heaven?? If so....how does that fit in???

Mlle d. Sade said:
It doesn't matter. Religion is not needed for either. We are capable all on our on- there is no eternal other world to live for, only the here and now. We govern ourselves for each others' benefit.

Sekou said:
so the questions remains:

did Homo sapiens have a sense of morality before we had a sense of spirituality??

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Permalink Reply by Madamoiselle De Sade on January 9, 2010 at 6:05am

..yeah, which is why I didn't think I'd answer his latest question that I find a bit suspect and pointless.

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Permalink Reply by Darkness Unlimited* on January 11, 2010 at 6:48pm

DJ Random Brotha said:

I'm just waiting for someone to point out all the postive things those on the Agnostic/Atheist/Anti Religon spectrum, have brought on to influcence society or the world. Because other than self-improvement and free-thought, I've got nothing.

This thread has been nothing more than a circle-jerk fest of assumptions because of past expirences involving christians, let us ignore the many postive the christian faith has done to help better the world (and yes, some do it because it's the right thing to do.), no! Let's focus on only the negatives. Let us have TUNNEL VISION of what the Christian faith is all about. Yes, that will work, and yet we are all doing so much better to help improve the quality of human life by bickering with each other back and forth on a messageboard! Awesome just awesome.

"Only thing with that is, atheists don't have the same fucked up history that christians do."

Do the Khmer Rouge/Pol Pot or Josef Stalin ring a bell, Damos? No? Aww, you'll think of something.

@Cameron; Welcome to the forums, you'll see much more tom fuckery and contradiction like this. Enjoy....

Uhm, ENLIGHTENMENT, HELLO? Education. Science. Technology. Advances in medical that aided in many countless lives saved from diseases that [thanks to christians] once had us all thinks it was tiny littles demons that made us sick. ART! CULTURE! LIBERALISM! PROGRESSIVE CAUSES! Abolision. Paleontology. Astrology. Anthropology. Biology. Civil rights for most people. Counter culture movements. Jazz. Rock music. Punk. Punk PUNK! Body art. Philosophy. The labor movement. Women's rights. Gay rights. Seperation ov state & church. Roe vs. Wade. The 1st Amendment. Dude, do you really need me to go on?
Now let's see, what have christians brought us, what wonderful contributions to the world has christianity brought? Oh yeah, SLAVERY! Hundreds ov years ov slavery, yeah, fuck yeah! Followed by [drum roll please] ONE HUNDRED YEARS ov AMERICAN APARTHEID!!! The inqusitions. The HOLOCAUST. Hell, christians pretty-much invented anti-semitism. The DARK ages. The KKK. Basically every single hate group that's every existed in this country. This country. The Native/Aboriginal American holocaust. Systemic roll-backs ov people's rights. Obviously, i could go on.

And you mention Pol Pot & Chairman Stalin [who were both pretty cool i thought, so yeah - i claim 'em]. Ok, yeah i'll SEE your "godless heathan" despots & RAISE you an Adolph Hitler, a Slobodan Milosevic, & the entire history ov the Catholic church!

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Permalink Reply by Darkness Unlimited* on January 11, 2010 at 6:50pm

Cameron Robinson said:

Ya know, you're right. It comes with the territory. I just feel the same. Some days I just don't want to put up with it all of it and just leave Christianity because of all the hypocrites. But still, you can find the gems. Like abolition in England, fighting poverty in Rome, or Mother Theresa.
woah there are a lot of conversations going on this page. lol
Anyways... here are my answers

How old do YOU think the Earth is? It would seem to be millions of years old. Evolution seems to be the best bet though we must keep in mind it is still only a theory.
Was jesus a person ov colour, you think? Well, all his ancestors were Israelite (middle eastern),his parent were isrealite, and he hid out in Egypt. No white person can hide out in Egypt and not get caught back then. lol. So, yeah, of color. Not black, but logically of a darker skin tone, being closest to middle eastern descent.
Who wrote the bible? Humans wrote. When we say God breathed, that means it was inspired by God. It's man's account of interaction with the being we call God.
You ok with a book that so explicitly endorses SLAVERY? I had a post on that earlier.
Were Adam & Eve Black, you think? It is thought that one they were both medium, caramel type complexion.
You ok with gays getting married? Judge not lest ye be judged. As far as I'm concerned I have no say in gay marriage, especially when divorce rates in the church are at 50%.
Women came from a man's rib - you believe that shit? If God can create a universe, nothing else would be that surprising to me
Noah's ark - seriously? Suspension of disbelief. Just like the universe thing I said above.

Is the bible meant to be taken literally (all those fucked up hypocrites sure seem to think so)? If NOT, then why hasn't the bible been revised [by now] to say what it actually means? It needs to be looked at for what it is. It's a book, or rather many books of people recording their experiences with God. So by literal, if you mean factual, yes. The stories are meant to be taken as things that actually happened. As far as following? Well, you have to finish the story to know that. As I said before, the bible pulls no punches. Whatever is the worst shit you though could happen is in there. It's not a book of morality. It's book of God trying to work with people who know nothing about morality. So this was a really bad explanation but it's the best I got.

Mother Theresa? Oh man, don't get me started on THAT catholic missionary whore!