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The Health Care debate. Weigh in. Should Contraceptive services be covered and why?
I'd like to hear what people on AP think about the issue of covering contraceptives under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act rule that required church-affiliated universities, hospitals and nonprofits to include birth control without co-pays or premiums in their insurance plans. What's your position and why? Do you understand the debate? Do you think men have a right to take part in this decision?
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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on -
LOL
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Permalink Reply by AbuelitaTalula27 on -
I think my BC is covered under my medical insurance. I pay $15 for a $60 prescription monthly.
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Permalink Reply by coollikethat on -
kifaru said:O.K. angry and irrational. Your shrillness has been acknowledged. Seriously though if you are are not willing to ask that dude you're fucking and whose prostate you're playing with to help you buy a pack of condoms or help you with a pack of pills you've got bigger problems with self estem than I can handle. Don't be surprised at the negative outcomes you have with your bastard you have with him. Peace!!!!!
LesYpersound said:and here's an even simpler answer:
society should guarantee affordable access to womens' reproductive health care because it benefits all of society.
@kifaru
Nobody's asking you or ANYBODY else to pay extra for birth control to be a part of health coverage---of COURSE if women get BC as part of their health coverage, they're gonna be paying for it, just like anyone else. Who the heck said anything about getting it for free? Ain't nobody getting a free ride if they're got to pay for something.
And funny how you're ranting and raving about how women ought to be responsible for their own sexual health (which any adult woman should be) but you're not saying ONE damn thing about how men's access to Viagara pretty much encourages them to go out and essentially be hos themselves---but men have ALWAYS gotten a pass from society for doing that. Why the hell aren't you telling THEM to be responsible while THEY''RE out screwing around with everybody else and their mama after popping some V? But yet you're so quick to lecture women about their sexual lives---gimme a break. Hell, viagara gets covered by medical insurance ( I presume) so why the hell not birth control? The last time I looked, birth control IS a preventative measure for pregnancy--that's what the hell it was invented for in the first place. So if a women takes birth control, she IS being responsible, and making damn sure she's not having any unwanted little ones. Honestly, you sound like you have some issues and lost your damn mind on this topic---you sound like that ignorant fat bastard Rush Limbaugh hollering about paying for some "sluts" running around having sex. Get a grip,get off the crazy weed you're smoking and actually FIND out more about the topic before you go off ranting like a crazy person please.
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Permalink Reply by coollikethat on
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kifaru said:I hear you PolarVibez but men pay taxes too. Men's money will go to pay for the program the same way childless people like me pay for public schools. Why shouldn't there be some sort of men exclusive benefit like free viagra? The issue is who pays for it and how much. People need to accept that taxes will be much higher if we go to a health care system that provides these kinds of benefits to all women. Likewise as it stands the bill would force employers to pick up the additional cost. If they have to pay shouldn't they have a say?
Working women pay taxes too, dear. Just so you know. Part of living in a free society is that your taxes go to pay for EVERYTHING that makes our life easier. What proof do you have that taxes will be higher if BC is covered. I don't understand the correlation between the two.
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Permalink Reply by Justin Krever on -
I would say "no". Contraception should not be covered because it conflicts with the ideologies and ethos of a certain segment of Christians who base thier beliefs upon a silly 5 - 4,000 year old book of archaic, bronze age, mythological fables, conjured up by ignorant, inbred tribesmen in present day Palestine. Oh, and the fact that Catholic Priests are CONSTANTLY raping boys against their will, of course should not weigh in to the discussion at all. You can't get a little boy pregnant.
- Justin
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Permalink Reply by sarenabrown26 on -
Any institution or organization should have the right to decline Affordable Care Act, but they also shouldn't be able to dictate their beliefs on others.
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Permalink Reply by AbuelitaTalula27 on
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When? All of the time.
Why? Cause I said so.
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Permalink Reply by AbuelitaTalula27 on
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That's actually not true. Many women use it as a mean of cyst therapy or medication for menstrual cramping.
Oba Richards said:do that people lack that much self control?
birth control is practiced the two people fucking, noone else
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Permalink Reply by Indiana on -
I think that in an oversexualized culture that puts emphasis on sex mainly being intercourse (penis penetrating the vagina) that Birth Control, Contraceptives, Abortions and all of that should be very low cost. As in, in order for people to learn that intercourse yields reproduction, and is mostly for a man's pleasure, you (both) have to have something to have your backs. Per se. What we teach as sex, leaves a lot of younger people, and adults (men and women) still thinking that the only way to achieve sexual pleasure is through penetration of some sort. Even in the lesbian community, many of them think that a strap on is necessary. Of course not all, but more so the "new found" lesbians, the girls who were uncomfortable with being bisexual but still don't enjoy the collective thinking of most hetero-normative men. Sexual pleasure and ecstasy for one sex (female) is something other than sexual gratification for another (male). We teach "safe sex" when we should really be teaching "this is reproduction" so until we use an alternative approach to what sex is then in order to "save" people from responsibility (as we are taught that children are financial and social burdens) then we need to be well equipped to keep things under raps. If we want to keep perpetuating the ideology that fucking for everyone's pleasure is the only way of reaching sexual expectations then we have to always have free condoms, and plan b bills for if they break. Free BC pills, patches, rings, and iuds, and extensively CHEAP vasectomies, tubial surgeries, and abortions.
*All of these are my opinions. Simply to give in this discussion. No offense was intending, I am not responsible for your feelings is you took any.*
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Permalink Reply by kifaru on -
This reads like, " I actually don't care if I hurt your feelings and fuck you if I did".
Indiana said:*All of these are my opinions. Simply to give in this discussion. No offense was intending, I am not responsible for your feelings is you took any.*
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Permalink Reply by Jess on -
the problem is you're stuck on believing that BC is purely for sexual purposes...my gyn pushed birth control at me my first visit at the age of 12 because i had issues regulating since starting my period at 10...Lord knows sex wasn't even on my mind at that age. i also had crippling cramps that would leave me seated for hours- and every girl knows Midol doesn't do shit for those kinds of cramps. BC is not only for reproductive prevention but also a myriad of other issues. skincare is one of them and yes even my dermatologist thought it would be a good option. having an option that has everything-in-one rather than having to go out and buy several different prescriptions and products sounded like a pretty sweet deal...but having to back slide, what makes you believe that if a woman is on the pill that equates to her not using condoms or a spermicidal gel...
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