... the other Black experience
Trans...Racial?
Do you think there will ever be such thing as transracial identities??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0NzgzeZCXI
I once had a kid tell me that he's black, and I told him "What? You're Korean!!" and he tells me he's black on the inside.
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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on -
it was hard for me to laugh at some that, but i was laughing.
"My goal was to depict a person who is haphazardly appropriating identities in an attempt to find herself."
hm. ...ok. i get where the guy was coming from.
i think yeah i can see where ppl are coming from, but there are obvious "truths" (not binaries or racial stereotype, obviously--but stuff like it not being a choice for Ashaka to be black) that shouldn't be ignored.
in this respect when it comes to personal identity--fuck racial and gender categories. be whatever it is you are. it's only when it comes to the social/political that race should be considered and matter and you better recognize where you truly stand--white man trying to be appropriate in the most disgusting way possible the idea of a black woman..
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Permalink Reply by Nahohlatida on -
I'm not so sure about the term transracial but I sometimes identify as having a queer racial identity because of my ambiguous appearance.
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Permalink Reply by Madamoiselle De Sade on -
"I once had a kid tell me that he's black, and I told him "What? You're Korean!!" and he tells me he's black on the inside."
A lot of my Native American (and one Italian) friends identified as black. Part of this is because when they went to family reunions half the room was black. But seriously, a lot of it is personal identity/identification based on life experiences (I think socio-economic position is a big one). That tend to translate into "black or white".
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Permalink Reply by Q.A.Bradford on -
God, just make the races geo-political parties already so it can stop interfering in discussions on nationality, genetics and culture. fucking headache here.
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Permalink Reply by lyfenlyn on -
people want all the benefits of blackness
with none of the responsibility or drawbacks.
however, in my life I have known people who were not visibly or culturally (by blood) black but were raised in the culture and you can't tell them they aren't black. they know it intellectually but emotionally it's a different story. some people are just plain offensive with it. but say you watch a film like planet b boy when there are hundreds of dancers and only 1/3 of them are black and tell me the majority aren't considered 'black' by societies standards even if they may be asian or white.
you can't tell me Robin Thicke aint black. lol
see
young black teenagers.
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Permalink Reply by kifaru on -
The skit was funny.
Trans racial identity is bullshit.It assumes that all members of a race are the same, because all the so-called trans racial person can do is take on cultural aspects and people of same race can definitely have different cultures. That's just some voyeuristic racial fantasy that white people have been having for years. The come in learn the culture, get accepted in the culture and finally become the ruler. See Avatar, Dances with Wolves, the Karate Kid, the appeal of every movie Steven Segal, Jeff Speakman or Jean-Claude Van Damme to white males, the Fast and the Furious movies ect, ect ,ect.
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Permalink Reply by Madamoiselle De Sade on
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Some minority groups (Native Americans and other indigenous peoples such as the Khmer, Australian aboriginals and ethnic Hawaiians) have our drawbacks and an extra one: not being either black or white (which is the only thing the world recognizes, there's no room for the beige or the tan or the red or yellow).
So they have all "our" problems with none of the instant recognition of being black. .which means it's that much harder for the world to empathize with or help their plight. Even in this country. Even within the same race you can have a black/white divide such as Chinese, Koreans, Japanese and other dominant "white" asian groups vs Vietnamese, Lao, Thai, Filipino, Tibetan (who are being defined as "aboriginal" by the Chinese government) groups that generally have a much harder time for no identifiable reason other than what they are. You can observe obvious cases as with East Indians along caste lines and also among Mexicans along color and descent lines.
It's interesting. Is this an example of definitions already in existence being inappropriately defined by our modern understanding of "race" or is it a result of the last centuries "race" strife?
The "benefit" is being recognized. The world, at least the western world, tends to go black/white while ignoring every one who isn't black or white or makes them choose sides.
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Permalink Reply by Q.A.Bradford on
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i agree. which makes me see the whole race discussion as a red herring if its not done technically and with a ton of exceptions.
Madamoiselle De Sade said:Some minority groups (Native Americans and other indigenous peoples such as the Khmer, Australian aboriginals and ethnic Hawaiians) have our drawbacks and an extra one: not being either black or white (which is the only thing the world recognizes, there's no room for the beige or the tan or the red or yellow).
So they have all "our" problems with none of the instant recognition of being black. .which means it's that much harder for the world to empathize with or help their plight. Even in this country. Even within the same race you can have a black/white divide such as Chinese, Koreans, Japanese and other dominant "white" asian groups vs Vietnamese, Lao, Thai, Filipino, Tibetan (who are being defined as "aboriginal" by the Chinese government) groups that generally have a much harder time for no identifiable reason other than what they are. You can observe obvious cases as with East Indians along caste lines and also among Mexicans along color and descent lines.
It's interesting. Is this an example of definitions already in existence being inappropriately defined by our modern understanding of "race" or is it a result of the last centuries "race" strife?
The "benefit" is being recognized. The world, at least the western world, tends to go black/white while ignoring every one who isn't black or white or makes them choose sides.
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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on
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the benefits of blackness? the coolness factor... heh. but for some folks who've faced social and political oppression in their own lives and like what mlle said have been given only the political framework of Black versus White, it should be a good thing that a person consciously and with sincere intentions chooses to side with Blackness over bowing down to whiteness and forsaking their... "coloredness".
i think any group of colonized people have the right to side w/ political "blackness" if their colonizers have gone so far as to call them niggers--so this'd include "sand niggers" and all the niggers throughout history including the irish and italian in america in the 1800s, "okies" during the depression, or filipinos during the philippine-american war.
ashaka cohen is a caricature. joke. an ignorant person. etc.
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Permalink Reply by Q.A.Bradford on
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you bring up the bigger travesty of "blackness" ultimately being something equatable with oppression if the uniting factor is oppressed peoples. That could be a little disenfranchising from an ethnic point of view. Its whats led to the black equals poor or ghetto mentality.
LesYpersound said:the benefits of blackness? the coolness factor... heh. but for some folks who've faced social and political oppression in their own lives and like what mlle said have been given only the political framework of Black versus White, it should be a good thing that a person consciously and with sincere intentions chooses to side with Blackness over bowing down to whiteness and forsaking their... "coloredness".
i think any group of colonized people have the right to side w/ political "blackness" if their colonizers have gone so far as to call them niggers--so this'd include "sand niggers" and all the niggers throughout history including the irish and italian in america in the 1800s, "okies" during the depression, or filipinos during the philippine-american war.
ashaka cohen is a caricature. joke. an ignorant person. etc.
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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on
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i don't agree with the idea of the spirit of blackness (e.g. the famous ideas of WEB DuBois on the black essence) since the black race is an illusion and blackness is something applied to an extraordinarily DIVERSE range of ethnicities and identities and experiences. the only thing that "objectively or unsentimentally" unites black people is our history of oppression and survival and present condition in a world dominated by "white" or whatever "race/ethnicity/group/sports fans" that see them as superior than any other group of human beings oppression.
"(political) black" identity is about pluralism and self-determination in my opinion.
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Permalink Reply by Q.A.Bradford on
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I concur with you here.
Some Filipino Americans often play both the black and the asian card (like a coworker who i have that i want to strangle) not realizing that you're being an oppressor all while faking the funk. Then they'll get the balls to get in your face and deny you your right feel connected to things African (while they're quietly wishing inside to get to powerful East Asian countries like China, Korea and Japan).
All the while the folks won't acknowledge greens and cornbread and perpetuate Black culture and American culture as separate entities unless its when White people indicate otherwise.
LesYpersound said:i don't agree with the idea of the spirit of blackness (e.g. the famous ideas of WEB DuBois on the black essence) since the black race is an illusion and blackness is something applied to an extraordinarily DIVERSE range of ethnicities and identities and experiences. the only thing that "objectively or unsentimentally" unites black people is our history of oppression and survival and present condition in a world dominated by "white" or whatever "race/ethnicity/group/sports fans" that see them as superior than any other group of human beings oppression.
"(political) black" identity is about pluralism and self-determination in my opinion.
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