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Why are we called african american?, Why Are we caled black? were brown
In the late 1980’s it was settled that African American was the best term for “blacks”. I’m a “black” but I don’t get how I’m African American. I’m American, I was born here so were my parents. Ancestors however I’m not sure? Say they were slaves from Africa..I was still born in America. Isn’t that one way how you become an American? Whats really crazy is a “black” person born in the UK is still at times call a African American? What? Their not even from America. The term is just switched up so much.
Thats why I just say I’m American. The term “black” doesn’t fit any human in this world. We should be called if any color brown. We are different shades of brown. “Brown American” has a ring to it? But that’s what we really are. Does the term “white” fit too? Everyone is a “colored” Right?
A white, yellow or “brown” man and their parents are born in Africa so they are African. No way around that. But say that white man comes to America with a white woman also a African and they have children. What are his children then? They should be what we are called right? But no its not like that.
Whites aren’t called European-Americans? On test at school when we have to mark our race (which is so silly…why does that even matter) the only option for whites is “white”, while “browns” have “black/African American”
I just don’t get how other humans can say what people are and it settled. while it doesn’t apply to all.
African-American vs. American-- youtube.
Please leave any feedback.
-Thanks Travarus.
Thats why I just say I’m American. The term “black” doesn’t fit any human in this world. We should be called if any color brown. We are different shades of brown. “Brown American” has a ring to it? But that’s what we really are. Does the term “white” fit too? Everyone is a “colored” Right?
A white, yellow or “brown” man and their parents are born in Africa so they are African. No way around that. But say that white man comes to America with a white woman also a African and they have children. What are his children then? They should be what we are called right? But no its not like that.
Whites aren’t called European-Americans? On test at school when we have to mark our race (which is so silly…why does that even matter) the only option for whites is “white”, while “browns” have “black/African American”
I just don’t get how other humans can say what people are and it settled. while it doesn’t apply to all.
African-American vs. American-- youtube.
Please leave any feedback.
-Thanks Travarus.
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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on -
kifaru kifaru Kifaru Kifaru KIFARU !!!!
Tam and no sweat -- I really respected your comments because you're speaking from lived experience. :]
And thanks for the SD link Obsidian...
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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on
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African-American studies was founded as a result of the Third World Students Strike in the 1960s.
Where do you think Jesse Jackson got the term? Thin air? No, there was an academic movement behind the phrase.
The person I was replying to wanted to know the history of the term African-American... and it's that. rooted in the 1960s. rooted with intellectuals and academia. rooted with students wanting to see themselves in academia.
Politicians are rarely original thinkers--and thank goodness for that--because original ideas should be tried out, tested, and reevaluated constantly in Academia/Research bodies and then inform the decisions of policy makers/opinion makers. :]
And like many things/ideas in Academia--the way it trickles down from the ivory tower can be a glacial pace sometimes.
/me shrugs.
AllPeople said:.
Actually -- that is not accurate. The term 'African-American' (AA) became an established PC term
circa 1988 during Jesse Jackson's presidential run for office and
the catalyst was the U.S. mainstream media who had inquired of
Jackson the name the 'he' preferred people to use to describe 'his'
people (meaning "the descendants-of-the-survivors" of the chattel
slavery system that existed on the continental U.S. during the
antebellum era) -- to which he responded that 'he' personally
preferred the use of the term of "African-American" (rather
than that of Negro or Black or Coloured, etc. and so on).
The mainstream media (seemingly not realizing that Ethnic and
Cultural variety even existed among people who've been placed
in the same "racial" categories), with a great misunderstanding,
took that comment by Jackson (whom they had also assumed
to be "the spokesperson" for every "black" categorized person
found in the U.S.) simply took that statement and ran with it --
to the point that, within a mere two (2) years (as evidenced by
the 'unsolicited' change in the 1990 U.S. Census Bureau forms
and other forms used by the U.S. government) the ETHNIC term
of 'African-American' (AA) -- which had previously been used to
describe ONLY "The Descendants-of-the-Survivors" of the chattel
slavery system that existed in the antebellum era continental U.S.
-- became seen and used (inaccurately) by BOTH the mainstream
media and many U.S. government offices as being interchangeable
with and synonymous with that of the "RACIAL" term of 'Black'.
RELATED LINK:
http://www.afropunk.com/forum/topics/why-are-we-called-african?comm...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1034
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LesYpersound said:.... african-american at least became an established PC.
term most likely due to the third world student strikes
that happened in the 60s at west coast universities that
established the field of ethnic studies in the united states...
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Permalink Reply by kifaru on -
You can say my name as much as you like. I'm still not giving you any of my sweet young stuff!!
LesYpersound said:kifaru kifaru Kifaru Kifaru KIFARU !!!!
Tam and no sweat -- I really respected your comments because you're speaking from lived experience. :]
And thanks for the SD link Obsidian...
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Permalink Reply by kifaru on
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I'm 13...times 3!!!! Where's my geritol? Is it time for my prostate exam? I can't remember my adress.
Stop capitalizing my name, Dawg! You're fucking up my bell hooks swagger.
Sonic Speed Society said:kifaru said:
WHOA! Kifaru, how old are you dude?You can say my name as much as you like. I'm still not giving you any of my sweet young stuff!!
LesYpersound said:kifaru kifaru Kifaru Kifaru KIFARU !!!!
Tam and no sweat -- I really respected your comments because you're speaking from lived experience. :]
And thanks for the SD link Obsidian...
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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on
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here's a shot of glucosamine. for your joints old man.
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Permalink Reply by Afro Starkiller on -
I tend to use the term American of African descent when I have to describe my so called race.
Just my two cents.
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Permalink Reply by AllPeople on -
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Please do re-read what I wrote =D ... as, what you
are referring to is NOT the subject of my statement.
http://afropunk.ning.com/forum/topics/why-are-we-called-african?com...
What I stated was that THE PC (i.e. 'mainstream media' and
general 'political pandering') USE of the term simply being
inaccurately being applied to just "anyone" who happened
to be "any part Black and was also a citizen of the USA"
(rather than the true accurate application of the term
--- which is "the 'descendants-of-the-survivors' of the
continental U.S. antebellum era chattel slavery system")
... including the changing of the U.S. government forms ...
began circa 1988 during the Jackson presidential campaign.
At no point did I say or imply that the GENERAL USE of
the phrase of 'African-American' began at that time -- as
it clearly used decades prior to that time (and the phrase
of 'Afro American' had been popular even prior to that).
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LesYpersound said:African-American studies was founded as a result
of the Third World Students Strike in the 1960s.
Where do you think Jesse Jackson got the term? Thin air?
No, there was an academic movement behind the phrase.
... the history of the term African-American... it's ... rooted
in the 1960s ... with intellectuals and academia ...with
students wanting to see themselves in academia.
AllPeople said:.
Actually -- that is not accurate.
The term 'African-American' (AA) became an established PC term
circa 1988 during Jesse Jackson's presidential run for office and
the catalyst was the U.S. mainstream media who had inquired of
Jackson the name the 'he' preferred people to use to describe 'his'
people (meaning "the descendants-of-the-survivors" of the chattel
slavery system that existed on the continental U.S. during the
antebellum era) -- to which he responded that 'he' personally
preferred the use of the term of "African-American" (rather
than that of Negro or Black or Coloured, etc. and so on).
The mainstream media (seemingly not realizing that Ethnic and
Cultural variety even existed among people who've been placed
in the same "racial" categories), with a great misunderstanding,
took that comment by Jackson (whom they had also assumed
to be "the spokesperson" for every "black" categorized person
found in the U.S.) simply took that statement and ran with it --
to the point that, within a mere two (2) years (as evidenced by
the 'unsolicited' change in the 1990 U.S. Census Bureau forms
and other forms used by the U.S. government) the ETHNIC term
of 'African-American' (AA) -- which had previously been used to
describe ONLY "The Descendants-of-the-Survivors" of the chattel
slavery system that existed in the antebellum era continental U.S.
-- became seen and used (inaccurately) by BOTH the mainstream
media and many U.S. government offices as being interchangeable
with and synonymous with that of the "RACIAL" term of 'Black'.
RELATED LINK:
http://www.afropunk.com/forum/topics/why-are-we-called-african?comm...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1034
.
LesYpersound said:.... african-american at least became an established PC.
term most likely due to the third world student strikes
that happened in the 60s at west coast universities that
established the field of ethnic studies in the united states...
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Permalink Reply by kifaru on
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Ah that feels better. Now pass me my toupee. I'm going to the Teddy Riley New Jack Swing Revue with special guest star TROOP. Smooches!
LesYpersound said:here's a shot of glucosamine. for your joints old man.
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Permalink Reply by Khari B. on -
Soooo, black, brown, yellow, white R all adjectives; descriptions of refracted light 2 our eyes that appears as a particular color, NOT PEOPLE. Now, let me C if I remember my history correctly.
When the young Caucasian people were allowed 2 first interact with darker races, according 2 their eye witnesses of the time they referred 2 us as "people with burnt faces", "the color of burnt bronze", "black like the soil" so I'm gonna say from a 1st hand reference we were probably quite dark. This lasted 4 centuries. Though in appearance our skin was black, the word designating a darkly-hued sentient being was in Latin, Mauros. That generic designation stayed in play across the world, with variations in different languages; Maur, Moor, Muur, Mauri, etc... until those same people, once revered, feared, and respected lost their way and began 2 B kidnapped and put N2 bondage as slaves. The term Moor was no longer proper as these bonded-men were no longer men but property. The term used 2 describe black property was negro from the latin necro meaning dead. Removing these slaves' nationality as Moors, Iroquois, Nigerian, etc... and making them property of their so-called masters made them negroes, plain and simple; black property.
I read something recently from the 1800's that stated there is no fish called a sardine. Those fish become sardines once they R captured, stuffed N a can and sold as goods. The same thing applies 2 "black" people. African American is an updated, sanitized version of negro and I ain't never gonna B one of those. America is 3 (or 2 depending on who U ask) different continents. Can I B from 3 places at once? Africa is also a continent. That's a little expansive 4 me. Dogs have nationalities, ie: Irish Setter, German Shepard, French Poodle, Chihuahua (Mexican), etc... Desserts have nationalities, ie: Boston creampie, german chocolate, mousse (french) etc... & most other people, ie: Irish, Dutch, Ghananian, Jamaican, Haitian, etc... Y don't we, these brown-skinned people living in the U.S.A.?
I can't tell U where exactly my earlier ancestors R from as my Italian neighbor could once upon a time but I do know that I am a Moor; descendant of a great people whose reach spread across Africa, the Americas, and Europe. Our specific nationality, I don't know. Receiving information from my uncle who researches our maternal line tracks us 2 Moors that freely came N2 the east coast of a young USA by way of Portugal B4 being kidnapped N2 bondage. I think it's safe 2 say that the vast majority of us have bought N2 the popular lies of our presence here further confusing their issue of identity and nationality but I know that most of us were already here with no real separation between who we R and those we call "Native Americans." Most of us were already here and not knowing our past assists greatly N2 not being able 2 claim what is genealogically ours. Dig deeper ya'll.
We R NOT African-American. I accept the ancient's respectful proper term, Moor. While not popular it beats the hell out of being named like any other piece of property by those not even of us. The Irish (American)'s name (who was not even considered "white" until the early-mid 1900's has not changed through the ages. Y should ours? Negro, colored, black, darkie, Afro American, African American R all interchangeable names along the same line that some presumptuous so-called "master" put(s) on us every 20 years or so and we accepted. Stop accepting BS. He who names, controls. Ask your dog.
All love,
(call me...) Khari B.
Check 4 some reference material on my "claims" at the following site.
www.members.tripod.com/pointingbird/lostfeatherintl/index.htm
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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on
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"He who names, controls."
I like this, but there's also the use of adjectives as opposed to accepting the ideas associated with proper nouns...(a black person becoming a description as benign and matter-of-fact as "brown-eyed" versus The black people/The black archetype)?
... I'm just typing/posting "out loud".
Also the Moors were Arabs, right? And not all Arabs are sub-saharan blacks (obv) nor do they align themselves racially with the black africans who were taken into bondage to the Americas (heck it would seem that a lot of them think themselves superior to just-black africans most of the time, right? e.g. the Sudanese in power and waging a genocide against their non-arab countrymen or the Tuaregs who still keep black african slaves and essentially see blacks as a slave caste)? So why align yourself with them versus defining yourself through your own lived experience?
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Permalink Reply by T.E. Smith Perkins on -
Because most people of African descent in America are usually mixed with other races, (myself included), their skin tones, depending on how much or less the other races they are mixed with, is varied. We all know that our skin tones can run the gamut of darkest brown/black to sienna to creme au lait etc., etc. I guess to not complicate things 'black' is used to discern a darker tone whereas 'white' is used to discern a lighter tone, and 'whites' too have different skin tones as well, like all Americans regardless of where they are labeled racially are mixed truthfully. I do like the sound of 'Brown Americans' too btw...most people of mainly European descent , are labeled according to what they seem to have the most of in their racial makeup, except of course for the ones who are 4-6 different races, then I think based on their skin tone they are called 'white' or multi-racial, but people in America of say Italian descent are called 'Italian-Americans', Irish descent, 'Irish-Americans', and so on... Best Regards- T.E.
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