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Why do we do this to eachother? I need some answers to this madness!!

  We all know that there is plenty of hate against people of African descent on youtube both as videos and comments on videos.  But why do we do it to each other so freaking much when it comes to gender?  Like videos saying all black men are a certain way and all black women are a certain way and its being perpetuated by our own people!! 

   Just look on youtube and you will find some pretty disturbing videos saying the reason black women are undesirable is because they go to college or are all bitchy. Or the reason black men are undatable is because they are all in jail or unfaithful.  I mean this shit is just insanity and its sad how many people are following along with it.  What are your thoughts on this and where do you think it stems from?  Are these just some of our people who have grown up in poor conditions and have absorbed the negativity or is it something else? 

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The real question is how much of what is being said is true, how many people are really like that, and what part of it are you responsible for. If 3% of black men carry chlamydia and some one says lots black guys have chlamydia what do you say? "That's not true or it ain't that many!!" "Not all of them have it!!!" There is obviously a problem in this situation regardless of the extent. The question is due you bury your head in the ground until the problem has grown to 10% or do you address the issue when you see it. If some non insignificant portion of the black male population is unfaithful and we need to address the issue. Maybe our expectations are too high. Maybe all men are unfaithful to the same extent it's just that black men don't lie as much about it. What's driving the infidelity? How easy is it for black men to have multiple partners?

The question you are asking is complex and the answer will be equally complex.

So what you are saying is that there is some validity to the comments but that it is being blown out of proportion?  I can get that.  I almost wish that afropunk would start it's own version of youtube right here.  I just feel like youtube attracts too many insane/troll people who have nothing better to do than to bring eachother down.

kifaru said:

The real question is how much of what is being said is true, how many people are really like that, and what part of it are you responsible for. If 3% of black men carry chlamydia and some one says lots black guys have chlamydia what do you say? "That's not true or it ain't that many!!" "Not all of them have it!!!" There is obviously a problem in this situation regardless of the extent. The question is due you bury your head in the ground until the problem has grown to 10% or do you address the issue when you see it. If some non insignificant portion of the black male population is unfaithful and we need to address the issue. Maybe our expectations are too high. Maybe all men are unfaithful to the same extent it's just that black men don't lie as much about it. What's driving the infidelity? How easy is it for black men to have multiple partners?

The question you are asking is complex and the answer will be equally complex.

That's not quite what I was trying to say ImanGold. I am saying what I said. To paraphrase, you need to ask deeper questions to get at what the real issue is so that there is not a disconnect between perception and reality, facts and truth. Criticism is sometimes an opportunity to examine our perception and look for facts. Many of us perceive any criticism of our habits as denigration. That is not always the case but even if it is that does not mean that a criticism is invalid and that also does not mean our perception is a correct representation of the facts. Here's an example:

White people often prefer to live in areas that do not have blacks to the point of trying to exclude blacks from their neighborhoods. Many black people would say those whites are racists. The questions to ask is why do those white people want to stay away from blacks? Why do those blacks who want to live in those white neighborhoods want to be there instead of in black neighborhoods? I would say the answer is complex. Maybe those whites have driven through predominantly black neighborhoods in their area and seen that those neighborhoods are run down and think that black do not take care of their property well. Maybe those blacks who do not want to live in black neighborhoods feel the same way. There's no way to no unless you ask those kinds of questions.

Are black women generally attitudinal or "sassy"? Are those type of people pleasant regardless of race? Is that "attitude" a function of race or culture? Are people just scared to deal with "strong, independent" black women or are those women pushy loud and ignorant acting? Are we obligated to deal with people regardless of race if they are unpleasant?

You have to ask the uncomfortable questions and be willing to concede that there may be some truth in them to get to a resolution.



ImanGold said:

So what you are saying is that there is some validity to the comments but that it is being blown out of proportion?  I can get that.  I almost wish that afropunk would start it's own version of youtube right here.  I just feel like youtube attracts too many insane/troll people who have nothing better to do than to bring eachother down.

kifaru said:

The real question is how much of what is being said is true, how many people are really like that, and what part of it are you responsible for. If 3% of black men carry chlamydia and some one says lots black guys have chlamydia what do you say? "That's not true or it ain't that many!!" "Not all of them have it!!!" There is obviously a problem in this situation regardless of the extent. The question is due you bury your head in the ground until the problem has grown to 10% or do you address the issue when you see it. If some non insignificant portion of the black male population is unfaithful and we need to address the issue. Maybe our expectations are too high. Maybe all men are unfaithful to the same extent it's just that black men don't lie as much about it. What's driving the infidelity? How easy is it for black men to have multiple partners?

The question you are asking is complex and the answer will be equally complex.

It all goes back to wether or not you want to be ignorant. This statement is in everything rascism, sexisim, and any other genere were people have to think.... logically.

People seem to generalize as a whole soly based off their experiences. If I lived in a town where all black men are the same and I not once ventured outside of this town and my only source to know what's beyond is TV,(where the black men act the same in my town) then of course I will have this perception that black men act the same.

If I got hurt by one or more then of course I am going to have a negative view point on black men because:

1) I am not willing to over come personal feelings and experiences 

2) It is eaisier to generalize in order to protect my self from another betrayal by a black man and finally

3)I am just plan ass ignorant.

Knowelege is a powerful thing but it has go beyond that, we need to encourage people to seek wisdom. I know people with college educations and are just as back wards. Knowlege is a step towards knowing things about the world but in my opinion wisdom tells you about the human soul.

Just droped some philosophical shit on ya lol

I like what you are saying.  That a REAL discussion needs to happen and it won't get anywhere with kneejerk responses.  I guess it's just so difficult when you see people saying things that are so off the wall that you believe they should be institutionalized.  But asking these questions definitely needs to happen to get to the root of the problem since the source of each person's perceptions is different.  :)



kifaru said:

That's not quite what I was trying to say ImanGold. I am saying what I said. To paraphrase, you need to ask deeper questions to get at what the real issue is so that there is not a disconnect between perception and reality, facts and truth. Criticism is sometimes an opportunity to examine our perception and look for facts. Many of us perceive any criticism of our habits as denigration. That is not always the case but even if it is that does not mean that a criticism is invalid and that also does not mean our perception is a correct representation of the facts. Here's an example:

White people often prefer to live in areas that do not have blacks to the point of trying to exclude blacks from their neighborhoods. Many black people would say those whites are racists. The questions to ask is why do those white people want to stay away from blacks? Why do those blacks who want to live in those white neighborhoods want to be there instead of in black neighborhoods? I would say the answer is complex. Maybe those whites have driven through predominantly black neighborhoods in their area and seen that those neighborhoods are run down and think that black do not take care of their property well. Maybe those blacks who do not want to live in black neighborhoods feel the same way. There's no way to no unless you ask those kinds of questions.

Are black women generally attitudinal or "sassy"? Are those type of people pleasant regardless of race? Is that "attitude" a function of race or culture? Are people just scared to deal with "strong, independent" black women or are those women pushy loud and ignorant acting? Are we obligated to deal with people regardless of race if they are unpleasant?

You have to ask the uncomfortable questions and be willing to concede that there may be some truth in them to get to a resolution.



ImanGold said:

So what you are saying is that there is some validity to the comments but that it is being blown out of proportion?  I can get that.  I almost wish that afropunk would start it's own version of youtube right here.  I just feel like youtube attracts too many insane/troll people who have nothing better to do than to bring eachother down.

kifaru said:

The real question is how much of what is being said is true, how many people are really like that, and what part of it are you responsible for. If 3% of black men carry chlamydia and some one says lots black guys have chlamydia what do you say? "That's not true or it ain't that many!!" "Not all of them have it!!!" There is obviously a problem in this situation regardless of the extent. The question is due you bury your head in the ground until the problem has grown to 10% or do you address the issue when you see it. If some non insignificant portion of the black male population is unfaithful and we need to address the issue. Maybe our expectations are too high. Maybe all men are unfaithful to the same extent it's just that black men don't lie as much about it. What's driving the infidelity? How easy is it for black men to have multiple partners?

The question you are asking is complex and the answer will be equally complex.

Agreed.

ImanGold said:

I like what you are saying.  That a REAL discussion needs to happen and it won't get anywhere with kneejerk responses.  I guess it's just so difficult when you see people saying things that are so off the wall that you believe they should be institutionalized.  But asking these questions definitely needs to happen to get to the root of the problem since the source of each person's perceptions is different.  :)



kifaru said:

That's not quite what I was trying to say ImanGold. I am saying what I said. To paraphrase, you need to ask deeper questions to get at what the real issue is so that there is not a disconnect between perception and reality, facts and truth. Criticism is sometimes an opportunity to examine our perception and look for facts. Many of us perceive any criticism of our habits as denigration. That is not always the case but even if it is that does not mean that a criticism is invalid and that also does not mean our perception is a correct representation of the facts. Here's an example:

White people often prefer to live in areas that do not have blacks to the point of trying to exclude blacks from their neighborhoods. Many black people would say those whites are racists. The questions to ask is why do those white people want to stay away from blacks? Why do those blacks who want to live in those white neighborhoods want to be there instead of in black neighborhoods? I would say the answer is complex. Maybe those whites have driven through predominantly black neighborhoods in their area and seen that those neighborhoods are run down and think that black do not take care of their property well. Maybe those blacks who do not want to live in black neighborhoods feel the same way. There's no way to no unless you ask those kinds of questions.

Are black women generally attitudinal or "sassy"? Are those type of people pleasant regardless of race? Is that "attitude" a function of race or culture? Are people just scared to deal with "strong, independent" black women or are those women pushy loud and ignorant acting? Are we obligated to deal with people regardless of race if they are unpleasant?

You have to ask the uncomfortable questions and be willing to concede that there may be some truth in them to get to a resolution.



ImanGold said:

So what you are saying is that there is some validity to the comments but that it is being blown out of proportion?  I can get that.  I almost wish that afropunk would start it's own version of youtube right here.  I just feel like youtube attracts too many insane/troll people who have nothing better to do than to bring eachother down.

kifaru said:

The real question is how much of what is being said is true, how many people are really like that, and what part of it are you responsible for. If 3% of black men carry chlamydia and some one says lots black guys have chlamydia what do you say? "That's not true or it ain't that many!!" "Not all of them have it!!!" There is obviously a problem in this situation regardless of the extent. The question is due you bury your head in the ground until the problem has grown to 10% or do you address the issue when you see it. If some non insignificant portion of the black male population is unfaithful and we need to address the issue. Maybe our expectations are too high. Maybe all men are unfaithful to the same extent it's just that black men don't lie as much about it. What's driving the infidelity? How easy is it for black men to have multiple partners?

The question you are asking is complex and the answer will be equally complex.

The answer is very simple: The NIGGAS outnumber the BLACK PEOPLE. Niggas are born and bread to do dysfunctional, idiotic, hateful, backstabbing, envious and jealous crap. Niggas HATE themselves. But what they hate even WORSE, are strong, open-minded, intelligent BLACK PEOPLE. Black people with common sense like me and yourself are not of malicious mind-frames and do not care for destruction or chaos among our own people, but NIGGAS are the exact opposite. It all stems from way back to the days of Willie Lynch. Believe it or not this self destructive behavior that inhabits NIGGAS minds is passed on from generation to generation. Sadly, it is ALL they KNOW. They are descendants of the blacks who were in the field or in the houses who were easily influenced by the slave masters to hate on each other. They are intimidated by intelligent blacks but will kill for acceptance from even the DUMBEST whites. To this day there is a horrible air of hate for our own skin color, hair texture, size, weight, belongings, success,....we have been seriously damaged by the white elites clever plans to keep us a broken and miserable people. NIGGAS don't HAVE to be the way they are, they CHOOSE to be the way they are. As a conscious black person all you can do is use your own common sense, raise your kids with common sense, sharp game and to love one another and steer clear of NIGGAS. As long as there are powerful racist motives to whisper in ignorant NIGGAS ears and implant dysfunctional behavior into their subconsciousness, NIGGAS are gunna be here hatin on everything....especially BLACK FOLKS.

You no the Willie Lynch letter is a fake right? Anyway I feel you but don't be discouraged.Also it's not all whites plans. There is a good amount of human nature involved with our issues. Take the Northern Ireland for example or Greece.

Dave Yeuqran Frost said:

The answer is very simple: The NIGGAS outnumber the BLACK PEOPLE. Niggas are born and bread to do dysfunctional, idiotic, hateful, backstabbing, envious and jealous crap. Niggas HATE themselves. But what they hate even WORSE, are strong, open-minded, intelligent BLACK PEOPLE. Black people with common sense like me and yourself are not of malicious mind-frames and do not care for destruction or chaos among our own people, but NIGGAS are the exact opposite. It all stems from way back to the days of Willie Lynch. Believe it or not this self destructive behavior that inhabits NIGGAS minds is passed on from generation to generation. Sadly, it is ALL they KNOW. They are descendants of the blacks who were in the field or in the houses who were easily influenced by the slave masters to hate on each other. They are intimidated by intelligent blacks but will kill for acceptance from even the DUMBEST whites. To this day there is a horrible air of hate for our own skin color, hair texture, size, weight, belongings, success,....we have been seriously damaged by the white elites clever plans to keep us a broken and miserable people. NIGGAS don't HAVE to be the way they are, they CHOOSE to be the way they are. As a conscious black person all you can do is use your own common sense, raise your kids with common sense, sharp game and to love one another and steer clear of NIGGAS. As long as there are powerful racist motives to whisper in ignorant NIGGAS ears and implant dysfunctional behavior into their subconsciousness, NIGGAS are gunna be here hatin on everything....especially BLACK FOLKS.

okay so this may seem a little one sided and there are plenty of videos of bw doing this as well but this one was posted by a friend on facebook.

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