... the other Black experience
Why Should We Leave Our Neighborhood To Throw A Rock Show?
I notice this is quite common.
Let's say a local black band has a diverse following..black, white, asian what have you....
But then you peep the flyers and its always in some obscure white neighborhood that is out the way for many of the black kids in the community who enjoy the band.
Do you think its because they don't want to lose credibility by holding it somewhere 'safe' and 'convenient' for the non-black fans? Or they don't want to have a certain image by having it in their hood?
What do you think?
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Permalink Reply by LesYpersound on -
you're in nyc right? if you get the opportunity to ask bands this question pls come back and post the answer.
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Permalink Reply by David Matthews on -
I honestly cant answer that, but I can tell you what I believe, and I think it's kinda controversial, because if you do live in the hood, you know it's not the safest, but imagine if you didn't live in the hood y'know, and since I lived in both the hood and suburbs at points in my life, I know how it is when people from outside come in, you could be killed or have the time of your life, and then on the other hand it could be that they want to keep blacks and latino's divided from every one else so thats why I say its controversial.
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Permalink Reply by kifaru on -
It depends on what neighborhood you live in. I can tell you this there are plenty of black people who act aggressively towards white people in when they are in certain types of neighborhoods. Likewise there are going to be complaints if there is a certain noise level of a certain type of music. A loud jazz show, or funk show or even Rhythm and blues show is going to get way more buy in from the "community" than a punk show. As far as urban or suburban environments are concerned every neighborhood has rules that need to be respected. If you want to do something in any community you should get community buy in.
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Permalink Reply by Fashionfreak on -
Yea i am thats actually a good idea
LesYpersound said:you're in nyc right? if you get the opportunity to ask bands this question pls come back and post the answer.
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Permalink Reply by Fashionfreak on
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Tis true same here i also have experience with both. But regardless of the circumstances of each neighborhood i think its only fair to be equal opportunity and perform in your hood as well as some far away suburb. Theres nice venues everywhere you just gotta look and not assume the worst. Theres a diamond in every rough :)
David Matthews said:I honestly cant answer that, but I can tell you what I believe, and I think it's kinda controversial, because if you do live in the hood, you know it's not the safest, but imagine if you didn't live in the hood y'know, and since I lived in both the hood and suburbs at points in my life, I know how it is when people from outside come in, you could be killed or have the time of your life, and then on the other hand it could be that they want to keep blacks and latino's divided from every one else so thats why I say its controversial.
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Permalink Reply by Fashionfreak on
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Its true but theres no excuse for it when people put up with genreification. Eventually no one cares anymore they just move on.
kifaru said:It depends on what neighborhood you live in. I can tell you this there are plenty of black people who act aggressively towards white people in when they are in certain types of neighborhoods. Likewise there are going to be complaints if there is a certain noise level of a certain type of music. A loud jazz show, or funk show or even Rhythm and blues show is going to get way more buy in from the "community" than a punk show. As far as urban or suburban environments are concerned every neighborhood has rules that need to be respected. If you want to do something in any community you should get community buy in.
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Permalink Reply by kifaru on
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...and that's how neighborhoods get fucked up, how property values drop and how neighborhoods get to the point to where a neighborhood can become gentrified. Gentrification happens when a neighborhood becomes so cheap that it is in someones interest to buy it up and sell it to a class of people who can afford to maintain the property. I do not want any kind of show in my neighborhood especially not a rock show. People would be standing on my lawn and throwing trash around and looking at me like I'm a piece of shit because I ask them not to block my drive way. Like I said you gotta respect the rules of the neighborhood as a function of respecting the people of the neighborhood. My music is noise to my neighbors and that's why I don't ride around blasting my shit when I'm in any residential area.
Fashionfreak said:......Eventually no one cares anymore they just move on.
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Permalink Reply by Compound Egret on -
Seen this go both ways. I used to go to see metal shows back in the day at a place called the Omni which was in a somewhat sketch part of Oakland. My friend and I never had any issues, but I heard stories about other people getting jacked, and did witness some conflict between neighbors and club goers. I know that there were other venues that opened up as rising rents in San Francisco drove more punks into Oakland, but I had moved by then.
In southern California I have seen young latino metal bands having backyard shows in neighborhoods like Compton and Lynwood.
If I had a band, I would want to play in any venue that wasn't hostile and where I wasn't going in the hole in terms of gas, equipment rental, etc. but if I knew that there was a danger factor for the fans I might think twice. Truth be told, if the neighborhood is unsafe, it's probably unsafe for everyone. Black people get jacked and killed all the time in "our" neighborhoods.
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Permalink Reply by Fashionfreak on
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Hmm interesting, its true shit happens like killings etc but at the rate of NYC urban neighborhoods is going stuff like that doesn't happen as much anymore. Alot of the gentrifiers have their own events in the hood but for some odd reason the people who lived there before dip and throw their rock shows, raves etc in these obscure ass place that's inconvenient for people like me who live nearby and wanna party but not travel so far sometimes. I was even talking to someone recently who said "Who wants to throw something in this ghetto ass neighborhood?" when in the same "ghetto neighborhood" was another group of people throwing their own little hipster concerts. That's kinda silly no? That's why I think its pretty cool that Afropunk is held smack dab btw the projects and the hip part of Brooklyn....
Compound Egret said:Seen this go both ways. I used to go to see metal shows back in the day at a place called the Omni which was in a somewhat sketch part of Oakland. My friend and I never had any issues, but I heard stories about other people getting jacked, and did witness some conflict between neighbors and club goers. I know that there were other venues that opened up as rising rents in San Francisco drove more punks into Oakland, but I had moved by then.
In southern California I have seen young latino metal bands having backyard shows in neighborhoods like Compton and Lynwood.
If I had a band, I would want to play in any venue that wasn't hostile and where I wasn't going in the hole in terms of gas, equipment rental, etc. but if I knew that there was a danger factor for the fans I might think twice. Truth be told, if the neighborhood is unsafe, it's probably unsafe for everyone. Black people get jacked and killed all the time in "our" neighborhoods.
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Permalink Reply by Fashionfreak on
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Believe or not NYC is a little pompous lol. I LOVE IT TO DEAAATTHHH! But idk man....
∑∉∅∲ said:out here in L.A. all the shows are in seedy areas where you can buy liquor and crack (south los, downtown, pomona, alhambra, downey, santa ana) so i do not understand your question. the hood knows business. all money is green.
i guess NYC isn't as cool as all those hipsters think it is.
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Permalink Reply by bela-rs on -
It's ain't the 'gentri triball dings bumms' thing, it is more, why not squat the 'autonomous free spaces' and start a DIY experience instead of homo_national 'we must stay' for all means strangerness and freak theory thing.
The ware subject of structural change has no income in Punk,...
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Permalink Reply by Fashionfreak on
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Brooklyn is a borough not a neighborhood lol and its quite mixed up....Italian, African American, Russian, Puerto Rican, Mexican, Middle Eastern, West Indian this one big melting pot of a borough lol
@Bela-rs true! but some people aren't ready to start something rather than just going the easy route and going where they are 'expected'
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