white people on Afro Punk?

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Permalink Reply by Miss Lashea on February 3, 2010 at 12:57pm

I thought that that this was a site geared towards bringing black people together not ALL people together...caucasians have their forums so why do they feel the need to infiltrate our stuff? and furthermore why are they even allowed? I just don't get it? But then again, I know why...caucasians hate to feel left out....and some black people want to include everyone...(blackplanet)...lol smh....I hope something gives...becasue I have noticed this on here...why call it Afro Punk if everyone can join?

Permalink Reply by Maat on February 3, 2010 at 2:01pm

haha! I feel you sis... infiltration, co-opting, subversion, etc. (lol) some black people do want to include everyone in everything--not sure if it's the need for validation in the eyes of the power structure or what (which would be the ultimate irony for Afro Punk); some folk are just afraid to speak their minds. Whatever the reason, this is something folks should
weigh in on; lets straighten (er, kink?) it out people.

Queen Lashea said:

I thought that that this was a site geared towards bringing black people together not ALL people together...caucasians have their forums so why do they feel the need to infiltrate our stuff? and furthermore why are they even allowed? I just don't get it? But then again, I know why...caucasians hate to feel left out....and some black people want to include everyone...(blackplanet)...lol smh....I hope something gives...becasue I have noticed this on here...why call it Afro Punk if everyone can join?

Permalink Reply by Death is Drunk on February 3, 2010 at 5:21pm

This a public forum and anyone can join despite it being geared towards blacks. There's no rules against whites or anyone not black or not part black joining this site and well there's no rule that I know of.

Queen Lashea I agree about them not wanting to feel "left out" or other black members inviting white boyfriends, girlfriends, friends etc to join.

Permalink Reply by Maat on February 4, 2010 at 12:41am

the question that was posed is; What, if any, is white people's role in the Afro Punk experience? Not whether or not the forum is public or not--please stay on topic when responding. In case you missed it, it's posted at the top of the page...


Death is Drunk said:

This a public forum and anyone can join despite it being geared towards blacks. There's no rules against whites or anyone not black or not part black joining this site and well there's no rule that I know of.

Queen Lashea I agree about them not wanting to feel "left out" or other black members inviting white boyfriends, girlfriends, friends etc to join.

Permalink Reply by Maat on February 5, 2010 at 2:51am

hah, am actually changing my name to Maat. thank you for weighing in.

NpyHedBlkChld said:

they way i see it is that well white folks think we are cool. and thats cuz we are lol. but in serious manner it depends how u approach your blackness. some of it comes from a place of morality where u treat everyone as equal. and there are folks that wanna stop oppression because their on bottom. Personally im not fighting one set of oppression for another set of chains. cuz frankly my punk rock metal ass isnt exactly the "norm" either and then consider the lbgtq community. so if one is for equality or Maat as it were behaving is such a manner isnt exactly the right thing. the key is keeping control over what is ours and making sure that it stays loyal and accountable to us

Permalink Reply by Q.A.Bradford on February 27, 2010 at 12:24am

I personally think that the role for white people is to think and consider their whiteness and their culpability in allowing "the other black experience" to be marginalized. From my personal experience, there are two possibilities that have occurred and a third that is solely theoretical and the suitable role for whites who get involved in our process.

Often times when I meet whites that see the other black experience, I get these two reactions:

1) Anti-black racist response (ABRR). "Other black people don't do what you're doing. You should do something more black." This assumes that that the consumer culture/ majority is the authority and that the definition of the black experience should be defined by that majority rather than the principles of the thing itself. These cats usually gravitate to the consumerized black experience for the hypocrisy and racial novelty of it. Not so much the conceptual, principle basis--which usually requires a self-analysis by the consumer.

2) Neutral (passive racist) response (NR). "That's cool. It doesn't bother me". This usually indicates that the person believes the tolerance rhetoric. It doesn't indicate acceptance or internalization of the "other". The other black experience is seen and left in peace where it is, but it's not promoted or propagated or taught about as being a positive thing. This person doesn't intentionally negate it like ABRR style, but their lack of acceptance of it leaves it vulnerable and susceptible to external degradation.

The last one which I rarely see unless its a group of non-blacks who have claimed an "other black person" as their own (most of the mixed bands on here) is the following:

3) Pro-Black Racist Response (PBRR). The PBRR humanizes and looks at the existence of a black experience as not novel, but a positive and necessary thing. Because of that initial viewpoint when the white person who has the PBRR they behave in a fashion that promotes the uniquenesses that are expressed by "the other black experience" even if they may seem offensive or strange, because it comes out of having a faith in the positivity of the black experience as a whole. Its the "That's fucking crazy man! Can I hang out next time and bring some friends?" response. This response is corrective of the ABRR and also gets into the sort of "Jay-Z sucks donkey testicles, sell out mothefucker poser. Saul Williams would wax that wannabe in a heartbeat". Or "Hip-hop and R&B are boooooooring. The old stuff is more original" in a fashion that's not to be taken literal but is actually attacking the commercialization of it and the willingness of many black artists to sell out originality and individuality for middle-class american values.

The folks who fit #3 are the white folks that I like. And in life, they've been hard to come by. These are the folks who go to a Kwanzaa celebration and hold they're own, not cause they "wanna be black" but cause they understand the fucking principle of the thing. But lately the media just spews out unprincipled black people for unprincipled white people to follow (or self-hating black people for black-hating white people to follow).

...Because even if you don't "belong" to a specific race or culture, the disposition of your existence (the pursuit of development, physical, cognitive and spiritual) either promotes and proliferates all races and cultures (PBRR) or sits back and lets them fall to entropy (NR and ABRR).

Permalink Reply by Q.A.Bradford on February 27, 2010 at 1:04am

The biggest issue about being black is that people will call you a "supremacist" for feeling that your blackness is special. This is absolute projection and theres enough economic and historical evidence that proves contrary.

What we as blacks deal with via white projection is that they easily get into the colonial though that because they are white they are "supreme". No, because you're white you're special, just like me whose special cause im black--were even. Because any organism following some kind of supremacist bullshit, it will exploit its ecosystem into toxicity and kill itself, the supremacist discussion needs to drop. the reason why people engage in the african-american talk is because the racial talk is a construct that has a shallow biological and cultural base, its imperative that american blacks be able to integrate into another black structure--which have yet to do. most white americans, by following their systems rules can always culturally and genetically re-acclimate themselves because the usa's european ties remain strong today.

whitenes still affords one more unquestioned socio-economic ability today than blackness does. the struggle is to balance that reality... asian and latino are slowly becoming that way to. white is code for western eurasian; asian, code for eastern eurasian; latino is the western eurasian loophole for amerindss; and black remains this fantasy in the americas that is dwindling the more and more it stays disconnected from its progenitor, africa.

Permalink Reply by Maat on February 27, 2010 at 2:39am

bro, I'm drunk as I'm reading this, but I love you. that was fucking great..

A. Matsimela said:

The biggest issue about being black is that people will call you a "supremacist" for feeling that your blackness is special. This is absolute projection and theres enough economic and historical evidence that proves contrary.

What we as blacks deal with via white projection is that they easily get into the colonial though that because they are white they are "supreme". No, because you're white you're special, just like me whose special cause im black--were even. Because any organism following some kind of supremacist bullshit, it will exploit its ecosystem into toxicity and kill itself, the supremacist discussion needs to drop. the reason why people engage in the african-american talk is because the racial talk is a construct that has a shallow biological and cultural base, its imperative that american blacks be able to integrate into another black structure--which have yet to do. most white americans, by following their systems rules can always culturally and genetically re-acclimate themselves because the usa's european ties remain strong today.

whitenes still affords one more unquestioned socio-economic ability today than blackness does. the struggle is to balance that reality... asian and latino are slowly becoming that way to. white is code for western eurasian; asian, code for eastern eurasian; latino is the western eurasian loophole for amerindss; and black remains this fantasy in the americas that is dwindling the more and more it stays disconnected from its progenitor, africa.

Permalink Reply by Arianna Garcia on March 6, 2010 at 11:22pm

I agree with Miss Lashea. I feel that this site should be for "blacks only". I mean I understand that even in the 60's-70's during the whole Civil Rights Movement that whites did have their part in it but it was basically a black movement which meant that right or wrong it was our asses that were on the line there. So if this site was strictly for blacks or mixes ( I am mixed) then it would feel like more of an organized movement and less of a social site. And I feel that our generation, especially the black youth/young adults needs that organized movement/revolution that we can all work together under and make a difference,especially being black and punk it's very hard to stake your claim in this world without having to go above and beyond the call of duty and having to give 110% more than our white counterparts who are in the same category. I feel if every city across the US had their AfroPunk Society then we'd be a unified front and could show those out there that we do exist and aren't going anywhere.

Miss Lashea said:

I thought that that this was a site geared towards bringing black people together not ALL people together...caucasians have their forums so why do they feel the need to infiltrate our stuff? and furthermore why are they even allowed? I just don't get it? But then again, I know why...caucasians hate to feel left out....and some black people want to include everyone...(blackplanet)...lol smh....I hope something gives...becasue I have noticed this on here...why call it Afro Punk if everyone can join?

Permalink Reply by Q.A.Bradford on March 7, 2010 at 1:06am

I think you two should agree with me and encourage the response of the #3 PBRR in white america... but thats just me...

Arianna Love said:

I agree with Miss Lashea. I feel that this site should be for "blacks only". I mean I understand that even in the 60's-70's during the whole Civil Rights Movement that whites did have their part in it but it was basically a black movement which meant that right or wrong it was our asses that were on the line there. So if this site was strictly for blacks or mixes ( I am mixed) then it would feel like more of an organized movement and less of a social site. And I feel that our generation, especially the black youth/young adults needs that organized movement/revolution that we can all work together under and make a difference,especially being black and punk it's very hard to stake your claim in this world without having to go above and beyond the call of duty and having to give 110% more than our white counterparts who are in the same category. I feel if every city across the US had their AfroPunk Society then we'd be a unified front and could show those out there that we do exist and aren't going anywhere.

Miss Lashea said:

I thought that that this was a site geared towards bringing black people together not ALL people together...caucasians have their forums so why do they feel the need to infiltrate our stuff? and furthermore why are they even allowed? I just don't get it? But then again, I know why...caucasians hate to feel left out....and some black people want to include everyone...(blackplanet)...lol smh....I hope something gives...becasue I have noticed this on here...why call it Afro Punk if everyone can join?

Permalink Reply by Fast Eddy on May 19, 2010 at 9:14pm

Any organization of Us, wether itz spiritual, musical, political, whatever it mayB, even the militant bent, itz gonna draw the European stock. They cant help themselves. We give them their soul, and they need it.

Permalink Reply by Chelsea on October 11, 2011 at 2:38am

Agreed. Though this group discussion sadly seems to be inactive. :-/



Arianna Garcia said:

I agree with Miss Lashea. I feel that this site should be for "blacks only". I mean I understand that even in the 60's-70's during the whole Civil Rights Movement that whites did have their part in it but it was basically a black movement which meant that right or wrong it was our asses that were on the line there. So if this site was strictly for blacks or mixes ( I am mixed) then it would feel like more of an organized movement and less of a social site. And I feel that our generation, especially the black youth/young adults needs that organized movement/revolution that we can all work together under and make a difference,especially being black and punk it's very hard to stake your claim in this world without having to go above and beyond the call of duty and having to give 110% more than our white counterparts who are in the same category. I feel if every city across the US had their AfroPunk Society then we'd be a unified front and could show those out there that we do exist and aren't going anywhere.

Miss Lashea said:

I thought that that this was a site geared towards bringing black people together not ALL people together...caucasians have their forums so why do they feel the need to infiltrate our stuff? and furthermore why are they even allowed? I just don't get it? But then again, I know why...caucasians hate to feel left out....and some black people want to include everyone...(blackplanet)...lol smh....I hope something gives...becasue I have noticed this on here...why call it Afro Punk if everyone can join?