I stole this thread from a videogame forum. Its a game where a lot of
the characters look like punks and 90s ravers with machineguns. Anyway
this one guy posts this and I thought it was interesting in this day and
age, where it seems like hipsterism has made all kinds of retro dress
"I know that a lot of people on (this game) make
their characters to look like
people of the "punk" variety, but in real life people are often not too
fond of the look.
I know from personal experience that people can target you for something
as small as having a mohawk
In 1997 a punk kid called Brian Deneke
was killed by a jock kid called Dustin Camp, below is an image that
shows a pic of Deneke and briefly summarises some of the main points:
Things that the above image misses out is the fact that there
are people (friends of the jock even) who gave testimony in court saying
wasn't accidental, he wanted to kill Deneke and was quoted to say "I'm a Ninja in my Caddy!
" while charging at
Deneke, and "I bet he liked that one
shortly after hitting him.
He also tried to pull off a similar stunt earlier that day in a car
park, he tried to run down a group of associated punks.
Despite all the evidence and witness statements Camp was only given 10
years probation, after being found guilty of "voluntary
". For those who don't know what that is:
"Voluntary manslaughter is the killing of a human being
in which the
offender had no prior intent to kill and acted during "the heat of
passion", under circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to
become emotionally or mentally disturbed. In the Uniform Crime Reports
prepared by the Federal Bureau of Investigation it is referred to as non
The fact that this kid had twice tried
to injure/kill people, solely for
being punks apparently meant nothing.
The guys lawyer told the jury that all the punks who gave testimony in
the court were lying. He said that Camp was "an
all american, a good Christian, a good Texan, and a football player
as if that would change the fact that he murdered
a kid in cold blood.
Apparently just over 10 years ago in Amarillo, Texas it was deemed
perfectly acceptable to murder someone, so long as you didn't deem them
It's not like it only happens in the US either, there was a case even
more recent where a Goth girl and her boyfriend got beaten into comas
(both of them), unfortunately
one of them died shortly after, purely because the group (about 10)
deemed them "moshers".
in Sheffield there was a
wedding between a gothic couple and the bride
got punched in
for the way she looked afterwards. Luckily she only had a
black eye and was able to go on her honeymoon.
Pretty much the main point of this thread is that while you guys might
like the alternative look, you probably don't realise how a lot of
people react to it in the "real world". Luckily I'm quite a big guy and
can look after myself, so I rarely get too much trouble but sometimes
all that needs to happen is for someone to step up for someone to avoid
an incident like these.
Do you think that Dustin Camp would have still ran over a punk kid just
for how he looked if one of his friends maybe talked to him about this
Food for thought.
Dustin Camp is currently living free, no more probation
or anything, despite he killed a kid just over 12 years ago AND violated
I haven't heard from kids being harrassed too much now that punk
gets lumped in with more trendy subcultures like emo, scene, goth,
etc...but I'm never gonna forget those days. I stood on my own with no
problem, but people used to come up to shows with busted up faces,
broken legs & shit due to mainstream harrassment every year.Gonna be a long time before I flat out just forget all that bullshit. No matter how long trendy people wear mohawks, I remember taking chains upside thier heads over what I had on...you don't forget you and your friends fighting in public over clothes, unless it just happened once or twice.