... the other Black experience


   "The very word secercy is repugnant in a free and open society and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secert societies, to secert oaths and to secert proceedings butwe are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding it's sphere of influence. On infiltration instead of invasion, on, subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficent machine that combines military, diplopmatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and politicial operations.

   It's preparations are concealed, not published. It's mistakes are buried, not headlined. It's dissenters are silenced, not priased. No expenditure is questioned, no secert is revealed. That is why the Athenian law maker Solon decreed it a crime for any citzen to shrink from controversy. I am asking your help in the tremendous task if informing and alerting the American people, confident that with your help, man will be what he was born to be, free and independant."

 FACT: this "monolithic and ruthless conspriacy" didn't just pack up it's things and go home after JFK was killed.

  FACT: on the contrary, it has gotten stronger.

  FACT: if you think Kennedy was just talking out of the side of his head then you're a damn fool.

  Kennedy is the only president in modern times that had the balls to challenge the "banksters". We haven't had a real president since him and we don't have a real president now. the "blue bloods", as Chuck D of Public Enemey put it, decided to let Obama in.

  Thank Goddess for us conspiracy nuts. We may be the only sane people left on the planet. be continued...

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Comment by Satan's Crow on March 7, 2012 at 6:58pm

  Okay, okay, let's call a truce. I do have more blogs planned on this subject though so if you find something else to disagree with, by all means feel free.

  You were just a kid when Desert Storm began? But that was like...yesterday!

Comment by Indigo Sweater on March 7, 2012 at 5:41pm
I'm all for questioning things, but that means leaving nothing out. Just 'cause I think theories of this nature are sometimes nonsensical, sensational, or nutty for lack of a better word, like I said- I'm not writing anything off. Skepticism is usually a very healthy thing. But again, this does not mean I'm gonna just buy into something off the bat.

About Bin Laden- yes, I get the principle thing. As Americans, we should stand by the principles our nation was found on. But my opinion more does than doesn't rest with the idea that Bin Laden was a threat to our security and needed to be taken down, regardless of where he was from. Neither you nor I were there, and we can never know the exact circumstances of the mission- the Seals were likely in grave danger if they didn't act swiftly, and their lives could have been taken instead. This is what I'm saying, and I understand what you're saying.

No, I don't believe we should start anything with Iran (unless of course there was ample enough reason to do so), and I think that even any semi-informed American now believes that the Iraq war was a disaster. When it began, I was a kid, and I had no idea what was going on, I just knew that we'd been attacked. I believe that Bush started likely out of great contempt for Hussein and out of greed. I don't believe the conspiracy that 9/11 was an "inside job," but I do believe that the WMD controversy was most likely fabricated. Of course I don't believe what they give us about being a "shining city on a hill" that wants to save everybody, and I agree wholeheartedly with Ron Paul when he says that we should not be the policemen of the world. But, I do believe we have an obligation to intervene in humanitarian causes. As you said, we are citizens of the planet.
Comment by Satan's Crow on March 1, 2012 at 8:13pm

   Fair enough but the way I see it the "idiot fringe" may be watching our borders with the idea of something big, nasty and unheard of, said to pop up before long. If they're just dreaming, than we have nothing to worry about. If they turn out to be right_ if not in the details then at least the over all picture which is more likely the case_ they become an early warning system, so by all means let them go. If there is an alien or the NWO lurking in the bushes they will be the first to see it, if it is there to be seen. I think it is. Both ET and the NWO. Sure it sounds crazy as hell but this doesn't mean it's not true. People once believed that the world was flat. Would you have called someone saying the world is round a nut? Yes, I'm thinking you probaby would  have... because you seem to be content with whatever those who claim to lead you tell you. They can tell me whatever they want but if it doesn't make sense to me I have to question it. Most people that I have told that Bin Laden should have gone to trial feel like you do. We are not suppose to be a country ran by emotion but by principles.

   I don't think in terms of the Illuminati. I don't care what they call themselves, I just know that there are some evil people in the world and yes, there is money to be made and influence to be gained in the music industry so why wouldn't these super greedy and super evil people have a hand in that industry too?

   You say you haven't done the research to make an informed judgement. Sounds to me like you're not interested in doing so either_ which of course is your call but a secretive group that has planned and profited on wars that have killed millions is something I want to check into to see if it's true or not. You don't live in the USA, you live on the planet. Whether Bin Laden was an American or not is not the issue. We are suppose to be Americans and we don't kill people without the benifit of a trial_ at least in theory. When the country becomes self righteous over a given issue are grand principles are the first thing to go right out the window.

  I guess you believe we should attack Iran next too.  Do you believe they are a threat to our national security? Did you believe Bush when he claimed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? Do you really believe that the US is that concerned about bringing democracy to other nations? I can't believe that you believe this.


Comment by Indigo Sweater on March 1, 2012 at 7:51am


So, do you believe that the Illuminati has got its hold on the music industry, as evidenced by the myriad of conspiracy theorists that people the web? Just curious.

The thing about Bin Laden hiding behind his wife- I don't feel this is incredibly significant, but in my personal opinion (since neither you nor I were there) I believe that, yes, based on what I've been told, Bin Laden was a significant threat, a dangerous enemy, and needed to be taken down. That's just what I believe. As an individual, and say I'm joking, but I could not give two shits less that the guy had or didn't have a fair trial. As an American, it is different.

You've given me facts, sure, but I don't think that a bunch of jumbled facts themselves necessarily make what you're saying something that will, in time, become a living reality. And "not skeptical enough"? Perhaps you are right, but I think of it in the sense that I've not possibly done enough research to make an informed decision anyway. And to be clear, I've never said I "didn't believe" in anything. I said that it seems logical, but that conspiracy theories often seem to be over-saturated nonsense.  And therein lies the problem, with me, and with many people. It isn't that I don't want the truth, but these sorts of off-kilter ideas are often too ridiculous for someone to conceive in daily, mundane life. It's sometimes easy enough to write them off as insanity.

So here's my thing on it. I'm not writing it off, but there's something about the whole idea to me that seems a little too ridiculous to be, at least at this moment, a reality in my waking life. I don't disbelieve in the existence of secret societies and what have you, obviously because there is ample evidence to prove that they have and do exist. But I don't believe Obama is an actor in a clown suit. It just does not seem rational. That's just me. Of course, one day, you'll laugh at me and say I told you so. Good on you, then. In the meantime, we all know for a fact that America will fall like any other empire, and that the future likely holds a less than perfect fate for all of us. That I can concede to.

I don't know that I want to get too into it over him, but I could have guessed you would want Ron Paul. However, I believe he is too radical to win over conservatives in the primary. Scarily enough, I think Willard Mitt is going to win the nom.

Comment by Satan's Crow on February 21, 2012 at 5:54am

  I believe there are those who take themselves that seriously that they'd think they have the right to rule over the rest of us. No one shows people the skeletons they have hiding in their closets_ no individual, no groups of individuals. Mankind is not always nice and good and where big money is involved, more than likely you will find the not good.

   You don't place much stock in the NWO ideas? How can you place any stock in anything happening in the world today when you only know what you are being told? How do you know Bin Laden tried to hide behind one of his wives? Who told you that? And you say you agree that it was okay to kill him without a fair trial? You have to be joking. Who else do you think the US has the right to just kill outright without the benefit of a trail? Is this the way the American government is suppose to work? Since when? Since the NWO is running it, that's when and their present day puppet is doing a fine job of keeping the masses looking in the wrong direction. Those papers and secret reports the good professor speaks of were from the Council on Foriegn Relations. As I said, Obama is a memeber of this group as well as the Bushes, Hilary and a slew of others. The only concern these would be rulers have for the people is keeping us under control.

   Now, I've given you some verifiable facts. How can you say this itsn't real?

   Considering how many times innocent people have been lied to and betrayed in the name of "leading them", you are not skeptical enough.

   Have you heard of Bhomeian Grove? It sounds crazy as hell but it has been documented through the independent press_ memebers of the elite from politics and industry meeting together at this private club and performing rituals at night under the shadow of giant statute of an Owl _and I'd bet money that your boy Obama has been there too.

   You, I imagine would just ignore something like this. How can you? This is one of those facts that you say you respect. That the Bilderburg group does exist, that it's meetings are top secret,and through leaks, it has gotten out that they are plotting to control the world are all facts.

   You don't believe in the NWO? It believes in you. That's why it hides from you and will continue to do so until it is a position where you and the rest of us can't do anything to stop it. And this is fact too. A college professor by the name of Carroll Quigley_ a mentor of Clinton ( another excellent liar) _ says this very thing in his book Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time (which you can download for free off the internet).

   "I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years in the early 1960's to examine it's papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of it's aims and have for much of my life been close to it and to many of it's instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of it's policies...but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown and I believe it's role in history is signigicant enough to be known."

   I have heard bits and pieces about Ron Paul. He sounds like the right man to live in the White House to me. He's Libertarian isn't he? Fuck a black president, give me a Libertarian.    

Comment by Indigo Sweater on February 20, 2012 at 2:44am

Well, facts are facts, and I do try to look at all sides of an issue to get the proper perspective- but I trust the news sources that I frequent, not all of them that are out there.

This New World Order stuff- while I don't place much stock in it, I don't think it is illogical, in fact it can and does make a lot of sense in certain ways. But again, I feel there is always an element of over-romanticization and hollow speculation that blankets the reality, and we have dig past much of it to find the truth, then taking the bits and parts and putting them together in a sensible way. Yes, I do believe that there is a possibility of people in government that may want a sort of one-world regime, of sorts, and it's not wrong to think that many of the super rich think they own us (and they do, in a way), but as always, being too skeptical for my own good, I tend to think that in the end the whole idea would fall on its face, if that makes sense..

I take it you believe in a modern-day Illuminati?

Comment by Satan's Crow on February 16, 2012 at 7:08pm

We will have to agree to disagree. You should check out the independent news media if you really want to get all sides of the issues. Mainstream media is owned by the same people who own the government.

   If they had bought Bin Laden to trial they would have had to throw half the American government in jail with him.

  I grant you that this NWO stuff is something I've only recently began to study in depth but I have a good hunch about things and this sounds right to me. It makes more sense than what mainstream history would have us believe.

  I've recently learned that Obama is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. That is an organization that is deciated to a one world government. I'm going to be mentioning them in an upcoming blog_ some more striaght from the horses mouth quotations. The evidence for the NWO conspiracy is right in front of everyone's eyes but no one wants to believe it. It sounds too crazy but it's just crazy enough to work. Its a brilliant scheme really, you almost can't blame the super rich for thinking they can get away with this. One of the families involved in this is the Rothchilds. Did you know they control HALF THE WEALTH OF THE PLANET? How could they not think they don't own us?  Money talks, morality and a free Earth walks.


  As I said: to be continued...

Comment by Indigo Sweater on February 13, 2012 at 1:45pm

I have, really, no objections to how they handled Bin Laden. Did you see those pictures of the Pres. and Secretary of State, etc. when the mission was going down? Obama was under tremendous pressure, and his fast decision making was vital in the success of the operation. It was highly secret, obviously. The Seals went in and took the guy down. I believe he was hiding behind one of his wives when they were aiming to fire him? Anyway, I can't disagree with you more. I realize that this is a democracy and I cherish that, but this man posed a huge threat to national security and I don't think that the chaos in the international media of the trial of the one of the world's most wanted men was something that was at all necessary. They took him down, and we wiped our hands of him.

They buried Bin Laden at sea, very hastily, yes-- they did it so that his body would not be coveted by his allies for any sort of glorified ritual use. That's my knowledge of it. Also, I think the case with Saddam was a little different. No real proof was found to show that he was an imminent or immediate threat to our security, while we have been shown that Osama and al-Quaeda certainly were and are.

I'm not sure what incident you are talking about, nor to what DVD you are referring, and would have to look at it for myself before putting any stock in what it claims. I agree that there is shady business going on in circles under which we have no control, I think that is characteristic of any society. But I just don't buy into what you're saying, at least to the extent you seem to be suggesting it. Obama's nowhere near perfect, nor was any president, and he's got his hands in probably more top-secret shit than we could possibly know about, but I don't believe he is plotting against us, or is a secret Muslim, or is the Antichrist, or any of the crazy things people spew about him.

Comment by Chris Asrk-pa El on February 7, 2012 at 7:06am
He is a great man and you can tell by the stories they are trying to create about him cheating to discredit his name like MLK.
Comment by Satan's Crow on February 7, 2012 at 6:35am

   That was his brother Robert that went after the Mafia. I'm sure the Kennedys have skeletons in their closet but it doesn't change the fact that what JFK talks about in the above quote is real_ and that's more dangerous and wrong then anything the Kennedy's may have done or not done. The powers that be thought JFK was a playboy who they could control but once he became president he began to take his job seriously.

    I didn't like the way the death of bin ladden was handled. I believe one of the reasons we have a black president now is because the muslem world would accept much better the annoucement that the US got Bin Ladden if it came from a face of color rather than a white face.  Not only that, Obama gave the order to kill Bin Ladden_ or he takes credit for making the decsion. This is more bull too, whatever happen to everyone recieving a fair trial? No white president would have been able to get away with that, it would look too much like racism.

   Also, that they buried Bin Ladden at sea a mere hours after his death is very suspicous to me. It's like they want to get rid of the evidence_ Ben Ladden may not be dead at all. It is claimed that they buried him at sea in honor of the Muslem faith but this is bullshit. If Bin Ladden is guilty of mass murder then he should have been brought to trial. Why didn't they kill Sadam Hussian out right? Why did they bring him here and make him stand trial but not Bin Ladden?

   Once again, the government lies to the people. The reason we have to rely on theories is because those in power and the mass media_ which they conrtol_ won't tell us the truth. All of the presidents that have been killed in this country  were supposedly killed by gunmen who_ as our government would liike us to believe_ acted completely on their own. This is a fine example of the truth being kept from us.

   There is a DVD called The Obama Deception that goes into detail on how and why Obama is a new face pursuing the same ends as the previous administrations. At one point it talks about how Obama and Hiliary faked out the news reporters and disappeared from the public eye for several hours with no one knowing where they had got off to. A hand full of reporters were waiting on Obama in one of the presidential jets. The jet eventually took off without Obama, effectively kidnapping the press while Obama was a no show. Those who study the movements of the NWO say he and Hiliary were at the Bilderberg Group meeting along with the other woulld-be planners of our fate. It's illegal for an American president to have secert meetings with nongovernmental groups. Obama and Hilary never revealed where they had gotten off to.

   During Obama's run for president there was a lot of talk of a return to Camelot_ the era of JFK. No one is talking this bull now. The man is just a smoke screen to distract the American people. If you had a friend who you constantly caught in lies, after a while you wouldn't believe a word coming out of his mouth. This is how I feel about governments.



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